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Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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You pay a monthly fee, so it doesn't really matter to them how much do you use the services during this month. In fact, the less you use them, the more profitable it is for them.

But if people don't use the service they'll cancel it. And viewing figures are going to have a big impact on future Apple tv content.

I disagree slightly - if people don't pay for the service, they'll cancel it

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While the apps are atrocious. The apps from what I csn tell are just front ends for websites and services being offered. They don’t do anything on the phone itself that takes advantage of special permissions. Of course they should remove them too.

I don't support the way women are treated in SA, but I don't really see why Apple should get to be the global moral police. Those applications are presumably perfectly legal where they are used.

Porn is also perfectly legal, yet you can't have a porn app on App Store. Since Apple decided to play moral arbiter, it's perfectly fine to judge them when they allow something like that on their platform.

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While the apps are atrocious. The apps from what I csn tell are just front ends for websites and services being offered. They don’t do anything on the phone itself that takes advantage of special permissions. Of course they should remove them too.

Doesn't that violate the Apple store's terms of use in a completely different way (ie adds no functionality outside of what the user can do in the browser?)

Of course not. If that were the case, no app would be approved.

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You pay a monthly fee, so it doesn't really matter to them how much do you use the services during this month. In fact, the less you use them, the more profitable it is for them.

But if people don't use the service they'll cancel it. And viewing figures are going to have a big impact on future Apple tv content.

But you use the service, just not 24/7 or to the maximum capacity. And you might subscribe because it gives you other benefits.

E.g. I have an Office 365 subscription. I haven't used Office in forever, but it comes with 5Tb of OneDrive space (family account), so I keep the subscription to store my photos. However, I've filled less than 100Gb so far and I'm sure my family has even less than that. Same thing with Prime, some months I buy a few things things, others nothing at all. But I know that every package arrives the next day, so I keep the subscription.

TV content is a bit special in this regard, true. However... If you keep binge watching, how long until you have nothing else to watch? Would you not cancel your service, then? The service is then _forced_ to keep delivering new quality content at the same speed that you watch it. Maybe Apple doesn't want to play that game.

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Whatever Europe's crazy data privacy laws, it's ridiculous they'd apply to the case of a parent keeping track of their kids. The kid's right to wander into crazy elsagate videos and have covert online conversations with predators unsupervised is more important than the parent's right to protect their kid, and Apple is justified in ripping the monitoring capability out of parents' hands? Is that what you're saying? Ho…

On an ethical argument (not a what-does-the-law-say-now argument), it seems defensible for kids (over a certain age, perhaps) to have reliable channels that their parents can't monitor. It's how you realize your family is abusive and get help when they are (the same arguments apply to people in abusive romantic relationships having their own digital root-of-trust that their partner doesn't have access to). It's how y…

Over a certain age, yes, probably starting at high school. Sex ed and history classes should go over LGBT stuff and teachers/guidance counselors are supposed to be avenues for getting help for abuse, not that these two things work out right all the time in practice.

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Whatever Europe's crazy data privacy laws, it's ridiculous they'd apply to the case of a parent keeping track of their kids. The kid's right to wander into crazy elsagate videos and have covert online conversations with predators unsupervised is more important than the parent's right to protect their kid, and Apple is justified in ripping the monitoring capability out of parents' hands? Is that what you're saying? Ho…

> The kid's right to wander into crazy elsagate videos and have covert online conversations with predators unsupervised is more important than the parent's right to protect their kid, and Apple is justified in ripping the monitoring capability out of parents' hands? Is that what you're saying? No one is saying that. Just like privacy laws don’t exist to protect encrypted hard drives full of pedophilia. The right to p…

I went over abuse reporting/sexual identity in another comment, but to your point about right to privacy, I don't think there's a reasonable absolute right to privacy as a kid, at least not before maybe high school or late middle school. This doesn't mean no alone time with friends, but at least at elementary school age, internet should be monitored, and phone location tracking is certainly reasonable before high school.

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From the article: > “When we found out about these guideline violations, we communicated these violations to the app developers, giving them 30 days to submit an updated app to avoid availability interruption in the App Store,” a spokesperson explained. “Several developers released updates to bring their apps in line with these policies. Those that didn’t were removed from the App Store.”

Realistically, 30 days may not be enough time for certain products.

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Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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I find the decision of the scorned developers to file with the European Union’s competition office amusing considering the Union's incredibly strong stance on individual data privacy. iPhones contain so much personal data on-device that Apple is absolutely responsible for protecting that data from illegitimate access. Using MDM which is clearly intended for enterprise management is an illegitimate use-case. Period. T…

Whatever Europe's crazy data privacy laws, it's ridiculous they'd apply to the case of a parent keeping track of their kids. The kid's right to wander into crazy elsagate videos and have covert online conversations with predators unsupervised is more important than the parent's right to protect their kid, and Apple is justified in ripping the monitoring capability out of parents' hands? Is that what you're saying? Ho…

it's ridiculous they'd apply to the case of a parent keeping track of their kids. The kid's right to wander into crazy elsagate videos and have covert online conversations with predators unsupervised is more important than the parent's right to protect their kid, and Apple is justified in ripping the monitoring capability out of parents' hands? Is that what you're saying?

You mean the same app that allows a random third party company to record and track everything that your child does on his phone?

Yes and switching to ^Android* that has built in Google surveillance that tracks every time you open an app and also has a horrible security record is really a better alternative.

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Apple doesn't make money from you spending all day on your phone. They would be fine if everybody would buy a phone, maybe a couple of apps, and set aside until there was a need. You are mistaking them for Facebook or any of the other engagement-driven, ad-selling companies.

Apple most certainly makes money off of ads. It isn’t a major profit center but according to the following article it is on track to rake in $2B by next year. Also they make a nice cut of sales via app purchases an in-app purchases. They. Definitely want you using your device as regularly as possible to capitalize on that revenue opportunity. Their stance on privacy and security is a marketing angle capitalizing on t…

Search ads in the Apple store that the third party apps couldn’t block any way. Yes they could block users from the App Store but that’s been part of parental controls in iOS for years.

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You pay a monthly fee, so it doesn't really matter to them how much do you use the services during this month. In fact, the less you use them, the more profitable it is for them.

But if people don't use the service they'll cancel it. And viewing figures are going to have a big impact on future Apple tv content.

And more than likely you’ll be able to block Apple TV+ content using parental controls like you’ve been able to block everything else for years.
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