Intel Stockpiling 10nm Chips

Post by leetcrew » Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 11:28 PM UTC

bogomipz wrote: post #64

mbell wrote: post #10

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TSMC is already doing risk 5nm production and 3nm seems entirely viable. We won't see a 'wall' until sometime after 3nm (~2025). Depending on whom you talk to, 2nm and smaller process sizes are also viable. I wouldn't expect any serious shift away from silicon processes till 2030.

>"TSMC is already doing risk 5nm production and 3nm seems entirely viable." What is "risk production?" Is this similar to prototyping? I'm not familiar with this term. Thanks

Post by mbell » Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 11:33 PM UTC

bogomipz wrote: post #64

mbell wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TSMC is already doing risk 5nm production and 3nm seems entirely viable. We won't see a 'wall' until sometime after 3nm (~2025). Depending on whom you talk to, 2nm and smaller process sizes are also viable. I wouldn't expect any serious shift away from silicon processes till 2030.

>"TSMC is already doing risk 5nm production and 3nm seems entirely viable." What is "risk production?" Is this similar to prototyping? I'm not familiar with this term. Thanks

Post by AmVess » Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 11:48 PM UTC

liuliu wrote: post #18

dsr_ wrote: post #2

Semiaccurate claims that this is entirely Intel marketing fluff, and that in reality Intel can't get 10nm yield up to useful levels, now or ever. (that's a tl;dr for https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/25/leaked-roadmap-shows... )

My understanding is that Intel is doing OK with smaller die size 10nm (Cannon Lake-U / Ice Lake-U) for Ultrabooks. But for bigger dies such as HEDT or server CPUs, the Ice Lake SP is still pretty much in the air with Intel's vague timeline of "sooner than expected end of 2020" claim.

Post by Dylan16807 » Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 11:53 PM UTC

benrbray wrote: post #55

vbezhenar wrote: post #40

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Not everyone uses Macbooks. There are plenty of laptops with easily replaceable batteries and sane keyboards. Not even talking about real computers, where you can replace everything without any tools.

But at the same time, I'm considering replacing my 2015 HP laptop because my "A" key stopped working, and the cost to replace the keyboard is 25% the cost of a new laptop, which I'll need anyway in another year or two even if the keyboard were fixed.

Post by notyourwork » Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 11:56 PM UTC

jniedrauer wrote: post #76

pault wrote: post #13

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My impression is that they know moore's gravy train is over and they're scrambling to figure out new tricks to allow them to sell a new generation of processors every year. Personally, while I'm a little disappointed that processors 20 years from now might not be 4+ orders of magnitude faster than the one I have now, I wouldn't mind being able to buy a computer and not have to worry about upgrading it for 10 years (I…

> I wouldn't mind being able to buy a computer and not have to worry about upgrading it for 10 years (I think we're pretty close to this point already). I used an i5-2500k for 7 years. Only retired it because the rest of the computer was falling apart and I had already had too many computers. I think that a CPU built in $CURRENT_YEAR will be completely usable in 10 years.