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The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by pdimitar »

thereisnospork wrote: post #47
pdimitar wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is reasonable but IMO they are over-estimating the market size. And businesses are very interested in the return of investment metric. Investing in 5G in some of the areas with predicted boom might just turn out to be too expensive in comparison with the expected revenue.

The big one that grabs my interest is as a cable internet replacement, I would love to be able to ditch Comcast.

They will probably lobby their way out of this as well.

Not sure if there's any hope for the USA to break free of carrier oligopoly.

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by tormeh »

kylec wrote: post #24

Maybe I’m not forward thinking enough, but I’ve yet to hear any compelling new use cases for 5G. I’m doubtful it’ll be of much use for self-driving cars or robotic surgery, and 4G is more than fast/low latency enough for my phone needs and the needs of most people. I really don’t see how 5G is going to add anywhere close to $12T to the economy.

Initially I guess it'll be used for places where there are a lot of people and the extra bandwidth is needed. Stadiums, airports, convention centers, etc.

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by jeffbax »

pdimitar wrote: post #51
thereisnospork wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big one that grabs my interest is as a cable internet replacement, I would love to be able to ditch Comcast.

They will probably lobby their way out of this as well. Not sure if there's any hope for the USA to break free of carrier oligopoly.

I don't know if it's 5g or not but I have 300-500Mb wireless internet in Boston right now. There's at least two companies doing it.

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by mrtksn »

Tsubasachan wrote: post #49
linuxboxer wrote: post #5

“The new 5G wireless technology involves millimeter waves (extremely high frequencies) producing photons of much greater energy than even 4G and WiFi. Allowing this technology to be used without proving its safety is reckless in the extreme, as the millimeter waves are known to have a profound effect on all parts of the human body.” -Prof. Trevor Marshall, Director Autoimmunity Research Foundation, California

Air polution is known to kill millions of people every year. And not just in India. Cities like Paris and London are mess. Nobody gives a shit.

This is both irrelevant and wrong. It’s wrong because people do give a shit and these cities are trying to come up with a solution like limiting or completely banning certain pollutants like cars or burning coal etc. The air quality is constantly monitored since years and EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies.

It’s irrelevant because even if people didn’t given a shit about pollution , wouldn’t mean that they should not give shit to other risks.

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by HammerJack »

If we should be concerned about the deployment of 5G, it's due to the fact that it will render our weather satellites nearly useless. The frequency they chose for 5G just so happens to be about the same frequency as water's resonance. 5G cell towers would show up as huge points of water concentration and we have no idea how to work around this yet.

https://hackaday.com/2019/04/16/5g-buildout-likely-to-put-we...

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by linuxboxer »

Whether people want to believe it or not, 5G is being deployed as both a biological and psychological weapon. Millimetre waves and their effects are well studied and utilised by military in their active denial crowd control systems. Wifi is also dangerous, why would they have chosen 2.4Ghz when this is the frequency absorption spectrum of H2O. The same frequency microwave ovens use to most effectively heat food. Similarly, the frequency absorption spectrum of oxygen is mm wave 60Ghz, 5G is likely to use this spectrum at some point. Next generation wifi (WiGig) has its default frequency based on the oxygen molecules absorption point. This means they are messing with the fundamental elements of biological life. Ethernet cables do not have these same flaws. The surveillance and control aspect of this iot 5G network ecosystem is going to have chilling effects on freedom, liberty and sovereignty. Social credit anyone?

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by purplezooey »

I remember they said a lot of this when 4G was coming out. If it's anything like that we got nothing to worry about. Add some $1200 phones and slightly faster speeds when you're in the middle of the city and you've pretty much summarized it.

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by Scoundreller »

agumonkey wrote: post #31
linuxboxer wrote: post #5

“The new 5G wireless technology involves millimeter waves (extremely high frequencies) producing photons of much greater energy than even 4G and WiFi. Allowing this technology to be used without proving its safety is reckless in the extreme, as the millimeter waves are known to have a profound effect on all parts of the human body.” -Prof. Trevor Marshall, Director Autoimmunity Research Foundation, California

it's gonna be fun to see if people are affraid of 5G or if microwave oven and 2G will keep their spot on the podium

I already disable LTE just to avoid Amber alerts.

3G is about 10% slower.

Around here, they send all alerts out at the “incoming nuclear missile” level.

Re: The Terrifying Potential of 5G

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Post by Scoundreller »

kylec wrote: post #24

Maybe I’m not forward thinking enough, but I’ve yet to hear any compelling new use cases for 5G. I’m doubtful it’ll be of much use for self-driving cars or robotic surgery, and 4G is more than fast/low latency enough for my phone needs and the needs of most people. I really don’t see how 5G is going to add anywhere close to $12T to the economy.

I agree, but for different reasons.

We need some orders of magnitude reductions in data prices.

If I’m paying dollars for each gigabyte, making them faster serves to use to me.

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