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Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by johnchristopher »

enitihas wrote: post #105
johnchristopher wrote: post #93

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> * ML adaptive battery > > * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) > > * Digital well-being dashboard and limits These sounds like gimmicks to me (ML buzzwords). I'd welcome an update that would sort alphabetically the apps I want to share content with for instance. No AI needed for that.

The ML adaptive battery update is awesome. I got it on my Moto One Power and the battery life has substantially improved

> Adaptive Battery, in a nutshell, is about figuring out which apps you use frequently and keeping those apps in memory, while the apps you don’t use often are purged once you’re finished with them. Put another way, Android Pie can adapt to your usage patterns so that it only spends battery power on the apps Adaptive Battery thinks you’ll need. https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/28/how-android-pies-adaptive...

I don't know. Wouldn't be easier to simply close the app when a user closes it ?

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by everybodyknows »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #71
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #7

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> the fact that my carrier refuses to stay on top of updates for my device anyway. I don't get why the carrier has to be involved at all. It has nothing to do with them at all so why do they even get a say in when a phone gets an update ?

Dumb pipes. They fear becoming a dumb pipe. They will get their hands into anything and everything simply to make sure they're not just a dumb pipe.

Dumb pipe ~= Commoditized complement

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17047348

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by joecool1029 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #104
apexalpha wrote: post #88

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What stops you from putting everything in a folder called App drawer, except the most used apps you want on your desktop?

The hard limit on how many apps a folder can hold?

If you weren't aware: You can fit 135 apps in a folder. Folders inside of folders are also supported so there's practically no limit.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by Monory »

johnchristopher wrote: post #111
enitihas wrote: post #105

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The ML adaptive battery update is awesome. I got it on my Moto One Power and the battery life has substantially improved

> Adaptive Battery, in a nutshell, is about figuring out which apps you use frequently and keeping those apps in memory, while the apps you don’t use often are purged once you’re finished with them. Put another way, Android Pie can adapt to your usage patterns so that it only spends battery power on the apps Adaptive Battery thinks you’ll need. https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/28/how-android-pies-adaptive... I don't k…

Fully-closing apps requires them to re-initialize them from scratch after each re-open, which is cpu-heavy (thus also battery-heavy) and slow.

A frequent usage pattern, also, is quickly switching between several apps. There's no definite “close” on mobiles apart from force-quits, which are unhappy for all apps, too.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by avtar »

oblio wrote: post #89
avtar wrote: post #82

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> Maybe they need to poach a few people from Microsoft to learn how it's done. It seems Microsoft needs some help in this department as well https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4500988/windows-upd...

So you're telling me an OS with 1.2+ billion users has bugs? I'm shocked! :) On a more serious note, Microsoft is (was?) famous for its QA processes. They have (had?) huge computer farms, tens of thousands of machine to be able to QA with every strange configuration out there. Windows, despite the hate it gets, is one of the most QAd pieces of software out there. And considering the shoddy architecture it has to supp…

My impression was that they have changed the way potential releases are tested internally https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/23/microsoft_windows_1... The last update was blocked since files were being deleted in users' Document directories and now this external drive issue. Both cases involve some fairly common configurations.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by cesarb »

johnchristopher wrote: post #111
enitihas wrote: post #105

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The ML adaptive battery update is awesome. I got it on my Moto One Power and the battery life has substantially improved

> Adaptive Battery, in a nutshell, is about figuring out which apps you use frequently and keeping those apps in memory, while the apps you don’t use often are purged once you’re finished with them. Put another way, Android Pie can adapt to your usage patterns so that it only spends battery power on the apps Adaptive Battery thinks you’ll need. https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/28/how-android-pies-adaptive... I don't k…

Android is designed so that users never "close" an app (there's no close button); instead, they switch between apps. The system closes apps in the background when necessary to free memory, but all apps are supposed to save and restore their state so that the user is presented with the illusion that the app never stopped running.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by inetknght »

rcarmo wrote: post #48
grumpy-cowboy wrote: post #39

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They will not be able to force their crap in my future Librem 5 phone.

I appreciate the independent thinking behind this comment, but seriously, what completely broke the carrier model was the iPhone. When we started discussing customisation with Apple, all they ever allowed us to do was add a default bookmark to Safari. Period. Finito. Looking back, that was the sanest thing any handset manufacturer ever did for the entire industry.

Kudos to Apple for that.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by lmkg »

apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #100
johnchristopher wrote: post #93

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> * ML adaptive battery > > * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) > > * Digital well-being dashboard and limits These sounds like gimmicks to me (ML buzzwords). I'd welcome an update that would sort alphabetically the apps I want to share content with for instance. No AI needed for that.

> No AI needed for that. These days, I'm beginning to wonder if it's even possible for a company to alphabetize without ML.

Languages sometimes have different sort order, even when they use the same script. So I could see using ML to detect the language, in order to select the proper sort order.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Post by tedunangst »

joecool1029 wrote: post #113
Someone1234 wrote: post #104

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The hard limit on how many apps a folder can hold?

If you weren't aware: You can fit 135 apps in a folder. Folders inside of folders are also supported so there's practically no limit.

Folder in folders are not supported, except via strange glitches.
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