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Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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This is why Google is devoting more and more resources to the Fuchsia project: to replace Android with an operating system that supports over-the-air (or WiFi) updates like iOS does and Windows Mobile did. It's the only way Google can effectively fight their fragmentation issue: get everyone to upgrade to the latest OS version.

Or they should go the "Windows way" with Android 10. Make it the last Android version forever and add security updates and features with small digestable patches.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

#92
post #44

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Doesn’t Android already support OTA upgrades?

Google can't make it happen unilaterally other than the Pixel phones. Without both the carrier and the handset maker putting work into the upgrade it won't happen. And the handset makers like Samsung don't want to cannibalize sales or spend resources allowing us to upgrade our Galaxy S5 handsets to Android P and Q.

Why though? If I run Windows on a Lenovo laptop, Lenovo doesn't have to vet the updates first... What are the carriers actually doing that safety updates or other GUI-related updates can't be just "added".

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

#93
post #70

This is definitely a problem but in practice it's not as dire as this article makes it sound. So many of the essential pieces have been factored out into the support libraries and independently upgradable components that Android devices actually get more regular updates in some respects than iOS devices do. For example, I have to update my entire iPhone OS to get an updated web browser or photo library or keyboard. G…

Hi, author here You're right about platform features used within apps, many (most? all?) are made available to developers with the support libraries. However, users will get none of the following until they get Pie (for example) * ML adaptive battery * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) * Digital well-being dashboard and limits * A lot more, as shown on this page (there's a lot of smaller items in the collapsi…

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> * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts)

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> * Digital well-being dashboard and limits

These sounds like gimmicks to me (ML buzzwords). I'd welcome an update that would sort alphabetically the apps I want to share content with for instance. No AI needed for that.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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> I think it's due to people keeping their phones longer Why can't the old phones run the new versions of Android? There's been no architecture change has there?

They (mostly) can, just the various companies involved have no incentive to actually do the work necessary to do it. Treble is supposed to make upgrades easier, but as the article points out, most people don't have Treble, and the carriers and manufacturers still don't seem to care, even with a lower amount of effort involved.

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Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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If every manufacturer is encouraging people to buy new phone, why do people even want to upgrade their old phones? The truth in China is that Xiaomi and Huawei releases their new phones very frequently. Now people are more and more focusing on screen, CPU, RAM, cameras.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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post #64

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For about two years. Even OnePlus, which is better than most, tails off after that. They've just released a public beta of Pie for the 3T, which hadn't had security updates for the last four months or so.

I'm running Android 9 on my OnePlus One (2014) through LineageOS and it feels smooth as always.

Lineage is great, I've run it on an HTC (M7 I think?) previously until it died. But it's not for everyone and some manufacturers make it harder than others.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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post #5

The shining example of Google vs apple for me is the package manager. Since Android D, updating my apps has caused the phone to slow to a crawl. Fps drops heavily, apps are laggy, etc. There is no option to only download updates when charging. Google has done nothing about this for years now. I still use Android because I need the control. But parts of the platform are just inexcusable (imo) in 2019. Dont get me wron…

I recently swapped to iPhone after being a long time Android user. After using the iPhone for a few months now, I will definitely be going back to Android. Before I owned an Apple device, I was sure that iPhones got first class treatment in app design/development - this has been a resounding disappointment. Instead, there are a few good apps but most of them are just enough to be good enough and not really amazing. N…

For a while, the restrictions were justifiable because "Apple wants to do it right." And I thought some of the features they brought to market later seemed nicely done. The problem is that Apple applies the 90% rule in deciding if lifting a restriction is justified, but I found myself in that 10% enough that I finally switched last year. There are some things I miss from iOS, but not much.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

#98
post #70

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Hi, author here You're right about platform features used within apps, many (most? all?) are made available to developers with the support libraries. However, users will get none of the following until they get Pie (for example) * ML adaptive battery * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) * Digital well-being dashboard and limits * A lot more, as shown on this page (there's a lot of smaller items in the collapsi…

> * ML adaptive battery > > * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) > > * Digital well-being dashboard and limits These sounds like gimmicks to me (ML buzzwords). I'd welcome an update that would sort alphabetically the apps I want to share content with for instance. No AI needed for that.

Adaptive battery works extremely well. The ML-side might be a slight in-vogue thing, but as long as it works I don't really care how it works (and it does work).

I have no opinion on App Actions/Digital Web-Being.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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I think you and all the replies to the parent have missed the point trying to be made. If you view the homescreens in iOS as your desktop, you don't want all your apps littering it with shortcuts. The op is talking about having to setup folders to hide away apps that they use rarely but don't want to uninstall. Android handles this in a far better way, where you have an app drawer that pulls up all your app icons on…

What stops you from putting everything in a folder called App drawer, except the most used apps you want on your desktop?

Lack of notification. So you end up with a giant folder with a single "NEW NOTIFICATION" star above it. Then you have to open it and scroll through the limited 3 x 3 view.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

#100
post #70

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Hi, author here You're right about platform features used within apps, many (most? all?) are made available to developers with the support libraries. However, users will get none of the following until they get Pie (for example) * ML adaptive battery * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) * Digital well-being dashboard and limits * A lot more, as shown on this page (there's a lot of smaller items in the collapsi…

> * ML adaptive battery > > * App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) > > * Digital well-being dashboard and limits These sounds like gimmicks to me (ML buzzwords). I'd welcome an update that would sort alphabetically the apps I want to share content with for instance. No AI needed for that.

> No AI needed for that.

These days, I'm beginning to wonder if it's even possible for a company to alphabetize without ML.

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