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Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Cookie law, Article 13, now this. Who are driving these motions?

Basically the majority of laws are now written by the EU. Welcome to democracy 2.0, where the campaign slogans for the EU parliament elections are something along the lines of

- "We love Europe... " - "If you love peace then you should love Europe..." - "Isn't Europe great... " - "We should make Europe even better ... " basically content free.

and then there are the right wing nationalists, which are equally deluded.

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In the section for 'Schengen Border Checks', under the image of the Russian passport, there is a picture of a scowling Gérard Depardieu[1], which is a thinly veiled attempt at a display of mirth and disdain in equal parts, by the Directorate General of EU Commission - Migration and Home Affairs. Although, his body of work and extracurricular activities could provide a further source of fodder for ridicule. However, i…

They also use Donald Trump as an example. I suspect this presentation was done mainly to explain the plan to politicians finding the whole topic technical and boring and therefore they tried to entertain them a bit.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Even though is a questionable practice, you are doing something (provide biometrics) in order to get something else (access to a foreign country) The point here is that you are a CITIZEN of the EU, you need to subject to conditions that give you no benefit when traveling abroad.

If you're a US Citizen you also need to submit in order to get re-admitted into your country of birth, or just to gain a US Passport (after 2007). So I'm not defending the EU, but the US is already doing exactly this.

I have never had to provide biometrics at the US border.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#154

In the section for 'Schengen Border Checks', under the image of the Russian passport, there is a picture of a scowling Gérard Depardieu[1], which is a thinly veiled attempt at a display of mirth and disdain in equal parts, by the Directorate General of EU Commission - Migration and Home Affairs. Although, his body of work and extracurricular activities could provide a further source of fodder for ridicule. However, i…

"We don't care if you object and irrespective of your views, this project is going ahead." The EU seems to have done this for at least twenty-five years, the prime example being their stubborn insistence on monetary union despite the mountains of expert opinion saying that monetary union made no sense economically.

This misses the point.

You could also say that monetary union between the US states makes no sense economically. The point is that the people decided to have a political union and to belong to the same country, the USA. Monetary union follows.

The aim is to have a federal union in Europe. In a way, going straight to monetary union is to 'force' further political union because they know full well that it requires it in order to work.

It's crucial to have the economics work but economics does not control culture and politics, it's the other way round.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#155

I wonder how is this different than the US's system where even as a tourist I have to give them my biometrics so they can store it in their big database.

It's different because the EU is not a country. It's composed of countries which should have sovereignty over the data of their citizens. But now they'll have to give our biometrics away. Doesn't matter what individual countries say; this is the EU and there is no discussion to be had.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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"Engineered consent" perhaps

Yes engineered but under what pretext. The assumption is always that its totalitarian but this is never stated. Could just as easily be steady state.

BNW is set 400 A.F, so we're into ~110 years now. I believe 1/4th of the book is hard reality. Give it 300 more years.

It doesn't need totalitarian gov. at all.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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In the section for 'Schengen Border Checks', under the image of the Russian passport, there is a picture of a scowling Gérard Depardieu[1], which is a thinly veiled attempt at a display of mirth and disdain in equal parts, by the Directorate General of EU Commission - Migration and Home Affairs. Although, his body of work and extracurricular activities could provide a further source of fodder for ridicule. However, i…

I don't see the point of disdain, Depardieu is a relatively well known Russian citizen and also a French public figure, so if you want someone from outside of the EU visa agreements, perhaps it's a good example of an individual like that? In addition, there's substantial pressure from member states to secure the border, and make it as efficient as possible. The governments of Italy and Hungary have practically been s…

>I don't see the point of disdain, Depardieu is a relatively well known Russian citizen and also a French public figure so if you want someone from outside of the EU visa agreements, perhaps it's a good example of an individual like that?

He famously gave up his French passport [1]. The official document features his picture issued via a legitimate Department/Executive agency [2]. If I didn't know any better, that looks like a meme!

You are implying that a department which is responsible for implementing the most wide-ranging project and whose sole remit is based around taxonomy of biometrics, has a totally legitimate right to use an image of any person in official documents, in order to promote certain values of it's member states and thereby circumventing it's own laws and directives like Art.17?

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20750593

[2] https://ec.europa.eu/info/departments/migration-and-home-aff...

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#158
Basically every first world country has this now, or is well on the way to having it.

Just today, for a JetBlue flight in the US: https://twitter.com/TallGlassofStyL/status/11199746416054599...

The question is not whether Governments should have this information - that horse has left the barn. The question now is what they should be allowed to do with it.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Regarding about mental illness entry. I have ADHD and it is flagged in the system. How do I know? When I tried to exchange my driver license, it was flagged and the “local DMV” forwarded the application to the police department. I then had to present evidence to the police I was capable of driving, thankfully I’ve never been fined and my psychiatrist didn’t have a problem signing a document stating I am capable of dr…

They may connect potential medication (stimulants, my bad) with the ability to drive. Needless to say that this connection (if you even are prescribed such meds) is complete and utter bullshit. It also doesn't help to de-stigmatize mental illness in society. Thanks for sharing.

No problem.

I sort of understand their view but the lack of medication or proper diagnose can also be linked to accidents, we just don’t have any data either way.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#160

I wonder how is this different than the US's system where even as a tourist I have to give them my biometrics so they can store it in their big database.

If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Even though is a questionable practice, you are doing something (provide biometrics) in order to get something else (access to a foreign country) The point here is that you are a CITIZEN of the EU, you need to subject to conditions that give you no benefit when traveling abroad.

> If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry.

Except, AFAICT, Canadians. (Unless you want to sign up for Nexus.)

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