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Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Wouldn't be surprised if they soon move to track everyone's DNA and we will be living in a "Brave new World" future.

1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.

That would be more close to The Matrix.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understood - but most EU states would have a national ID card which would make them ‘known’ to their own government. Not sure if all include biometrics (I know that the ID cards here in France are not all like that, though passports today are) but national ID cards cover all adults and children. Just seems weird that they would not include a couple of hundred million people that they definitely know something about b…

In Netherlands they make a copy of your fingerprint for your ID card (EU-wide) or passport. The copy of that fingerprint is deleted after it's stored electronically on your ID card or passport. There's no need to store a copy of e.g. the fingerprint anywhere else. Just sign the electronic data on the ID card/passport. Everyone here seems to assume that having biometric data on the passport means that there's a databa…

Same process applies in Switzerland.

You must apply in person for a new passport and your picture and finger prints are captured and integrated into the passport.

Fingerprints, however, are stored in a central database. This was (and is) extremely controversial and the official reasoning was verification in case a passport needs to be replaced.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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In the section for 'Schengen Border Checks', under the image of the Russian passport, there is a picture of a scowling Gérard Depardieu[1], which is a thinly veiled attempt at a display of mirth and disdain in equal parts, by the Directorate General of EU Commission - Migration and Home Affairs.

Although, his body of work and extracurricular activities could provide a further source of fodder for ridicule. However, it reveals the general message from EU after this vote i.e. we don't care if you object and irrespective of your views, this project is going ahead [2].

[1] https://www.securityresearch-cou.eu/sites/default/files/02.R...

[2] https://www.gemalto.com/govt/coesys/eborder/entry-exit-syste...

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Yet another step to make things more straightforwardly hackable for interested actors. Sorry for the cynicism, but I can't help thinking that all this digitalization and automation is just plain blessing for foreign intel agencies, if not the main goal.

On the other hand, this could mean a joint effort to make it more secure, since stakes would be higher.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite. There is no database in some countries. I am not going to give the EU biometrical data, even if that means skipping some "services". Edit: I would also guess it is incompatible with recently introduced legislation.

It's an extension of the Schengen Information System (SIS)[1], which every country, which is a member of the Schengen accord, maintains. I am not going to give the EU biometrical data, even if that means skipping some "services". That may mean that you're not travelling into the EU at all. What is so different towards having to supply my fingerprints, when travelling to the US (or Malaysia, or Japan for that matter)?…

Thanks for the link.

Quote: "The type of data about people kept in SIS includes (...)" So it is not a complete list, and the listed entries are just an excerpt:

  - requests for extradition
  - undesirability of presence in particular territory
  - minor age
  - mental illnesses (!!!)
  - missing person status
  - a need for protection
  - requests by a judicial authority
  - and suspected of crime. 
The SIS also keeps data referring to lost, stolen and misappropriated

  - firearms
  - identity documents
  - motor vehicles 
  - banknotes
  - (...)
I find the entry re mental illnesses very peculiar. I am curious how the total data structure looks like.

Not sure how it is in the US, but it seems that there is a right of access for each EU citizien to the SIS database[1], e.g. in Germany, citizens have a direct right of access by contacting

Bundeskriminalamt–SIRENE Büro –D –65173 WiesbadenTel.: ++611 551 65 11Fax: ++611 551 65 31E-mail: sirenedeutschland@bka.bund.de

[1] https://www.dvi.gov.lv/lv/wp-content/uploads/datu-aizsardz/p...

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.

That would be more close to The Matrix.

Have you read "Brave New World"? Genetically engineered people, sorted into categories of capabilities, with all their needs for happiness provided, including recreational drugs.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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post #79

Wouldn't be surprised if they soon move to track everyone's DNA and we will be living in a "Brave new World" future.

1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.

Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Merging existing databases into one big one might be more accurate but that's modern journalism.

Not quite. There is no database in some countries. I am not going to give the EU biometrical data, even if that means skipping some "services". Edit: I would also guess it is incompatible with recently introduced legislation.

It‘s a database on non-EU citizens.
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