Where do I opt out? As a EU citizen my rights are protected by GDPR yes?
Sort of. But there is no penalty for governments if they break the regulation.
Only companies are fined for breaking the regulation.
EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
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Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is plain stupid and negligent to give biometrical data to the German government. Your argument about the prevalence of bad guys in parliament is devoid of any reasonable conclusion in either direction. And certainly not sufficient for a general case for laws of this kind, as it lacks even a minimal justification for implementing surveillance on this scale. But you obviously don't see right-wing parties as a threat…
> It is plain stupid and negligent to give biometrical data to the German government. Really? Germany requires all citizens to have a biometric ID card. The ID cards were introduced separately in East and West Germany decades before reunification. What makes you think this is “stupid and negligent” when it’s been around for so long? I’d expect any social/political/legal bugs to have been solved by now.
> Germany requires all citizens to have a biometric ID card
Partially true for your picture, that is restricted to the ID itself. And that is a relatively recent addition. You can still get an ID with "imperfect" biometric photo, which you provide yourself. Biometric photo is defined by some rudimentary rules (you are not allowed to use a picture of the back of your head) that isn't comparable to fingerprints in any way.
> I’d expect any social/political/legal bugs to have been solved by now.
heh, have you written a test?
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#123I see a lot of concerns here about the obvious security and privacy issues that a database like this would create.
I share those concerns, but there is one other issue that I don't see mentioned here.
These sorts of government IT projects are always plagued with delays and tremendous budget overruns. It wouldn't surprise me if this takes at least 10 years and a billion euro to complete, if it isn't cancelled before that.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.
Today you are one of the lucky 10000: https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webc...
I don't think there was much of a difference. Effectively BNW=1984+drugs, but because there are no such drugs, 1984 is the only implementable option, pseudo-BNW is unsustainable, doesn't solve their problems and so is just a detour, because they couldn't go 1984 directly due to technical problems.
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#125Yet further proof that their online legislations are not about privacy but attacks on US companies.
How is that even linked to US corporations?
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Today you are one of the lucky 10000: https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webc...
I don't think there was much of a difference. Effectively BNW=1984+drugs, but because there are no such drugs, 1984 is the only implementable option, pseudo-BNW is unsustainable, doesn't solve their problems and so is just a detour, because they couldn't go 1984 directly due to technical problems.
I don’t belive 1984 is sustainable either. Its too rigid to withstand external events. BNW on the other hand, has tacot consent of all involved and is self reinforcing.
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.
Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.
It was consensual because the populace was bred and genetically altered to conform to their roles in society. I think that is an important distinction.
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#128I wonder how is this different than the US's system where even as a tourist I have to give them my biometrics so they can store it in their big database.
If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Even though is a questionable practice, you are doing something (provide biometrics) in order to get something else (access to a foreign country) The point here is that you are a CITIZEN of the EU, you need to subject to conditions that give you no benefit when traveling abroad.
> "The systems covered by the new rules would include the Schengen Information System, Eurodac, the Visa Information System (VIS) and three new systems: the European Criminal Records System for Third Country Nationals (ECRIS-TCN), the Entry/Exit System (EES) and the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS),"
It looks like those are all travel-related systems rather than national identity systems?
(e.g. the UK operates SIS: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border... while not being either a member of Schengen or having a national identity system?)
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#129Where do I opt out? As a EU citizen my rights are protected by GDPR yes?
The state does not willingly handicap itself.
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Today you are one of the lucky 10000: https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webc...
I don't think there was much of a difference. Effectively BNW=1984+drugs, but because there are no such drugs, 1984 is the only implementable option, pseudo-BNW is unsustainable, doesn't solve their problems and so is just a detour, because they couldn't go 1984 directly due to technical problems.
Both are similar in premise: the proletariat is distracted and kept down by something. Think of the sort of content that is produced in 1984; in Brave New World it is simply drugs instead. It makes you wonder about the spread of video games, instantly accessible entertainment, increased drug use, etc.