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EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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post #22

Yet another step to make things more straightforwardly hackable for interested actors. Sorry for the cynicism, but I can't help thinking that all this digitalization and automation is just plain blessing for foreign intel agencies, if not the main goal.

This, it seems like the Overton window is moving in one direction.

Isn't it an Overton conveyor belt at this point? The kind of you see on airports, for moving people. No matter which side you start on, in the end, you'll be pushed over there.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#102
post #15

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In several EU countries you're required to carry id at all times. In the US Green Card holders are required to carry the card at all times.

> In several EU countries you're required to carry id at all times. Any idea what the punishment is for not carrying?

Bulgarian here. The punishment for not having an ID when a police officer requests it, is being jailed until someone with an ID can come and ID you.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#103

I wonder how is this different than the US's system where even as a tourist I have to give them my biometrics so they can store it in their big database.

If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Even though is a questionable practice, you are doing something (provide biometrics) in order to get something else (access to a foreign country)

The point here is that you are a CITIZEN of the EU, you need to subject to conditions that give you no benefit when traveling abroad.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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post #99
post #79

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1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.

Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

Today you are one of the lucky 10000: https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webc...

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#105
post #99
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.

Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

"Engineered consent" perhaps

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#106
post #97

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That would be more close to The Matrix.

Have you read "Brave New World"? Genetically engineered people, sorted into categories of capabilities, with all their needs for happiness provided, including recreational drugs.

> sorted into categories of capabilities

Artificially and massively genetically engineered and bred into categories, not sorted. It's an important distinction.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#107
post #96

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It's an extension of the Schengen Information System (SIS)[1], which every country, which is a member of the Schengen accord, maintains. I am not going to give the EU biometrical data, even if that means skipping some "services". That may mean that you're not travelling into the EU at all. What is so different towards having to supply my fingerprints, when travelling to the US (or Malaysia, or Japan for that matter)?…

Thanks for the link. Quote: "The type of data about people kept in SIS includes (...)" So it is not a complete list, and the listed entries are just an excerpt: - requests for extradition - undesirability of presence in particular territory - minor age - mental illnesses (!!!) - missing person status - a need for protection - requests by a judicial authority - and suspected of crime. The SIS also keeps data referring…

Regarding about mental illness entry.

I have ADHD and it is flagged in the system. How do I know? When I tried to exchange my driver license, it was flagged and the “local DMV” forwarded the application to the police department. I then had to present evidence to the police I was capable of driving, thankfully I’ve never been fined and my psychiatrist didn’t have a problem signing a document stating I am capable of driving (even though he himself never measured that skill specifically). At the end of one year long back and forth with the police dept, I got a 2 year provisional DL. Not sure if they will ever grant me a regular DL though.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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post #105
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

"Engineered consent" perhaps

Yes engineered but under what pretext. The assumption is always that its totalitarian but this is never stated. Could just as easily be steady state.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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post #96

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Thanks for the link. Quote: "The type of data about people kept in SIS includes (...)" So it is not a complete list, and the listed entries are just an excerpt: - requests for extradition - undesirability of presence in particular territory - minor age - mental illnesses (!!!) - missing person status - a need for protection - requests by a judicial authority - and suspected of crime. The SIS also keeps data referring…

Regarding about mental illness entry. I have ADHD and it is flagged in the system. How do I know? When I tried to exchange my driver license, it was flagged and the “local DMV” forwarded the application to the police department. I then had to present evidence to the police I was capable of driving, thankfully I’ve never been fined and my psychiatrist didn’t have a problem signing a document stating I am capable of dr…

Thank you for sharing. That makes sense from a regulatory point of view - on the other hand, it is deeply concerning from the point of view of society (especially when it comes to other diseases that may have an influence on driving ability e.g. phychosis).

As always, there is a trade-off in technology application.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

#110
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

Today you are one of the lucky 10000: https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webc...

> Today you are one of the lucky 10000

For those who might not get the reference: https://www.xkcd.com/1053/

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