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Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by retiredcoder »

paganel wrote: post #50
nutjob2 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, besides the possible expense, having a one year passport must be a pain. It's essentially valid for 6 months less the time of your trip since most places require six months validity beyond your departure from their jurisdiction. It's like you almost have to apply for a new passport for each trip! Also having a one year total duration is sure to attract attention from foreign authorities, they'll assume you're re…

> Have you actually travelled on such a passport? Yeah, I've travelled to Turkey pretty soon after I had it issued, in fact that was the main reason of me getting a passport and yes, I did sort of use it as a one-time thingie. It sure adds some extra costs (in real money and in opportunity costs) but I'm willing to eat them up, for the moment. > is sure to attract attention from foreign authorities, they'll assume yo…

> That's one extra reason not to travel to countries that treat tourists/foreign people like crap.

In my experience, unless you go thru an automated system when passing thru immigration, chances are you will be treated arbitrarily (crap).

Source: non white man living and traveling within Scandinavia always randomly selected for additional questions.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by rusk »

rglullis wrote: post #104
rusk wrote: post #99

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Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

Today you are one of the lucky 10000: https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webc...

Yes indeed, but I am not actually “wrong”. Cute cartoon though!

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by EuroShill »

fyoving wrote: post #73

Yet further proof that their online legislations are not about privacy but attacks on US companies.

Not surprising. Many European nations and their citizens are extremely jealous of the success of US companies (how many big, famous and innovative brands from the past 3 decades have come out of Europe? Let's name a few. [crickets] Exactly)

Don't worry though, their excellent PR and damage control team will be out shortly to commence the circlejerk on how much the EU actually cares about privacy and that everybody is for privacy there, while US=Spying evil no privacy land forever.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by CaptainZapp »

retiredcoder wrote: post #107
wuschel wrote: post #96

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Thanks for the link. Quote: "The type of data about people kept in SIS includes (...)" So it is not a complete list, and the listed entries are just an excerpt: - requests for extradition - undesirability of presence in particular territory - minor age - mental illnesses (!!!) - missing person status - a need for protection - requests by a judicial authority - and suspected of crime. The SIS also keeps data referring…

Regarding about mental illness entry. I have ADHD and it is flagged in the system. How do I know? When I tried to exchange my driver license, it was flagged and the “local DMV” forwarded the application to the police department. I then had to present evidence to the police I was capable of driving, thankfully I’ve never been fined and my psychiatrist didn’t have a problem signing a document stating I am capable of dr…

They may connect potential medication (stimulants, my bad) with the ability to drive.

Needless to say that this connection (if you even are prescribed such meds) is complete and utter bullshit.

It also doesn't help to de-stigmatize mental illness in society.

Thanks for sharing.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by dijit »

sirkneeland wrote: post #38
arethuza wrote: post #32

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Definitely not the case in the UK - in fact there was quite fuss made when there was a plan a few years back to introduce ID cards. Mind you I suspect mostly people do carry 'official' identification documents on them most of the time (e.g. driving licenses) but there is no requirement to actually have these on you at all times.

My favorite song on the Pet Shop Boys' 2006 album Fundamental ("Integral") was a protest against Blair's Identity Cards Act "if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear / if you've something to hide, you shouldn't even be here"

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

rusk wrote: post #99
pmlnr wrote: post #79

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1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.

Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

Drugged into consent :)

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by dfawcus »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #90
jstanley wrote: post #34

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Not to mention untrustworthy countries like the UK, Germany, and France.

The UK is not part of the Schengen accord. So I suspect it won't be part of this repository. This has nothing to do with Brexit.

Despite not being within the Schengen area, the UK currently has (some) access to the SIS.

That will (almost certainly) end if Brexit occcurs.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by ben_w »

raxxorrax wrote: post #49
mschuster91 wrote: post #37

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It is plain stupid and negligent to give biometrical data to the German government. Your argument about the prevalence of bad guys in parliament is devoid of any reasonable conclusion in either direction. And certainly not sufficient for a general case for laws of this kind, as it lacks even a minimal justification for implementing surveillance on this scale. But you obviously don't see right-wing parties as a threat…

> It is plain stupid and negligent to give biometrical data to the German government.

Really? Germany requires all citizens to have a biometric ID card. The ID cards were introduced separately in East and West Germany decades before reunification. What makes you think this is “stupid and negligent” when it’s been around for so long? I’d expect any social/political/legal bugs to have been solved by now.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by rusk »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #116
rusk wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it though? My reading of Brave New World was that it was at least consensual. I’m after reading Seveneves and I see some parrallels between these societies. In context it really doesnt seem so much sinister as a way for humanity to survive. 1984 was despotic.

Drugged into consent :)

Haha - gimme soma dat

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

pmlnr wrote: post #79
lanevorockz wrote: post #56

Wouldn't be surprised if they soon move to track everyone's DNA and we will be living in a "Brave new World" future.

1984. "Brave New World" doesn't need things like that, it's a much more terrifying future, when everyone is happy in their little golden cage.

The mandatory BNW bracelet serves that purpose and more. And IIRC they had a big data center that oversaw well-being of citizens.
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