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Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by Mirioron » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:34 AM UTC

raxxorrax wrote: post #39

return1 wrote: post #25

this is a necessary step forward if we want to create a borderless union where you can't trust your neighbours.

Underrated criticism. The EU currently isn't going in the direction of a borderless union. 15 years ago, I would have thought that a sad development. Currently not so sure anymore. Legislation from EU bodies has been abysmal the last 10 years, not only relating digital spaces.

More than 10 years. Don't forget the Data Retention Act that required ISPs to keep logs of every single IP you visit and collect it in a database.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by LoSboccacc » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:34 AM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #30

TomMarius wrote: post #29

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Why did you select these particular countries, especially Austria, as an example?

Simple: Poland and Hungary are under multiple investigations for turning their systems to "illiberal democracies". Austria is on the list because their right-wing party FPÖ is in control of the security agencies (both police and secret service and military), which has led other EU countries to restrict information exchange with their secret services ( https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/spionage-... ).…

your superiority compelx is showing

let me guess: German?

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by dogma1138 » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:37 AM UTC

paganel wrote: post #16

nutjob2 wrote: post #14

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So you're never going to hold an EU passport or never enter the EU? Do you feel more comfortable giving the same information to the US?

It is still possible to hold an EU passport which does not contain any biometric data, even though it's getting harder and harder and I suspect the still available loopholes will be eliminated pretty soon. For example I live in an Eastern-European country that is also an EU member and I hold a passport which does not have any incorporated biometric data in it, but that only happens because I specifically chose a temp…

In 2020 the EES system comes into full effect this would require all Schengen entry documents including the 90 and 180 day visas to be backed by biometrics.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by dfawcus » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:38 AM UTC

C1sc0cat wrote: post #53

dfawcus wrote: post #33

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Definitely not in the UK. We had them after WWII until sometime in the 50's when they were removed due to abuse by the authorities. Hence there is still a distrust of them. The scheme recently introduced and then scrapped could have had some interesting consequences. This is part of why we have such "fun" with the free movement provisions, in that we do not have a population register. Nor a requirement to keep the au…

I think it was when the wartime id cards where up for renewal the civil service wanted it - but parliament thought it smacked to much of "Gestapo" as Churchill put it.

It was killed by a Motorist refusing to present an ID card to the police, and the resultant court case. That is what lead to Parliament being "forced" to scrap them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3129302.stm

a bit more detail here:

http://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/identit...

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by gambiting » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:42 AM UTC

Mirioron wrote: post #58

mschuster91 wrote: post #37

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Dude, I'm Polish and our government is 100% right-wing authoritarian. I'd call them extremist, but I see why such term can be controversial.

And not being able to home school kids is a great thing, don't understand how it's even a thing in other countries.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by petre » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:49 AM UTC

TomMarius wrote: post #29

mschuster91 wrote: post #28

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No, this is not "just" a merger! Prior to this latest crap, the databases were separate, including separate access controls, on a "need to know" basis. Now a shitload of agencies and their agents across the EU, including in untrustworthy countries like Poland, Hungary and Austria, can access all the sensitive data in one place. This is NOT good.

Why did you select these particular countries, especially Austria, as an example?

Austria has a draft law that would require real names for online comments. The right wingers (FPÖ) lost the election but the centre right (ÖVP) pretty much borrowed from their program. And they'd be stupid not to, because they nearly lost the first time, before the right wingers asked to repeat the elections.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by mschuster91 » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:50 AM UTC

Mirioron wrote: post #58

mschuster91 wrote: post #37

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> Why are you using such inflammatory language?

Why not? The FPÖ (AT) is right-wing extremist. The Fidesz (HU) got suspended from the EVP for leaving the path of democracy. Salvini (IT) regularly uses right-wing talking points and incites hatred. PiS (PL) is under fire from the EU Commission which has sued the Polish government due to them dismantling the court system.

> Furthermore, Germany is and has been more authoritarian than any of those countries for a long time. In Germany you need to buy a license just to livestream online to more than 500 people (or needed?).

LOL, are you serious? I agree that this regulation is utter crap, but that is not authoritarian. We still have an independent court and police system - PL/HU have not.

> Germany's also the country where home-schooling is illegal and you can't take your kid out of school even for a couple of hours without permission from the principal (often a government employee).

Home schooling is illegal for very valid reasons. At least our kids (mostly) get vaccinated and don't get screwed out of their future by parents who think it's sane to keep them from anything outside and replace that with evangelical indoctrination.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by petre » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:55 AM UTC

mothsonasloth wrote: post #59

Cookie law, Article 13, now this. Who are driving these motions?

Just vote these morons out of parliament. I'm not surprised if they're the same ones that voted for article 13/17.

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by raxxorrax » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:56 AM UTC

Mirioron wrote: post #61

raxxorrax wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Underrated criticism. The EU currently isn't going in the direction of a borderless union. 15 years ago, I would have thought that a sad development. Currently not so sure anymore. Legislation from EU bodies has been abysmal the last 10 years, not only relating digital spaces.

More than 10 years. Don't forget the Data Retention Act that required ISPs to keep logs of every single IP you visit and collect it in a database.

How could I forget. People start asking for VPN, even non-techies. I still believe it to be illegal. But many rules were already broken...

Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

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Post by r3bl » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 10:57 AM UTC

mothsonasloth wrote: post #59

Cookie law, Article 13, now this. Who are driving these motions?

Where's the malice in the cookie law?

It's an absurd law that's a prime example of how incompetence at a regulative level leads to a negative outcome in a specific sector. I 100% agree with that, but I fail to see how it can be compared to your other two examples. Cookie law doesn't affect your privacy in any way (and certainly not for the worse), it just gives you annoyances you have to deal with.