EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database

Post by vesinisa » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 8:47 AM UTC

ahje wrote: post #18

dijit wrote: post #13

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> Most people have ones issued by banks Mine was issued by Skatterverket which is the tax agency, no? Surely that's "Government issued ID". In fact, I had to give them my fingerprint and iris scan when I got my card. (Although I have been denied entry when coming back from Copenhagen with it; "It is not a travel document" was the reasoning which is completely against the Schengen agreement.)

I was rather shocked when I tried to get across from Copenhagen to Malmö with a Finnish national ID card, only to discover it wasn't valid valid for entering Sweden. Luckily they saw reason and let me through after a while but it must be horrible for the daily commuters. When I lived in Copenhagen a few years back the commuters numbered in the 10000's. I can imagine that number has gone down a lot recently.

Post by fyfy18 » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 8:53 AM UTC

vesinisa wrote: post #21

ahje wrote: post #18

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I was rather shocked when I tried to get across from Copenhagen to Malmö with a Finnish national ID card, only to discover it wasn't valid valid for entering Sweden. Luckily they saw reason and let me through after a while but it must be horrible for the daily commuters. When I lived in Copenhagen a few years back the commuters numbered in the 10000's. I can imagine that number has gone down a lot recently.

You were without a question dealing with an incompetent border officer in that case. Finnish ID card issued to a Finnish national is a valid travel document to all EU countries, to all Nordic countries, and to Switzerland. Additionally, for the citizens of all Nordic countries, no official travel documents are required to other Nordic countries in the first place. There is only a requirement to "be able to prove your…

Post by return1 » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 8:59 AM UTC

Post by jacquesm » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 8:59 AM UTC

bkor wrote: post #24

docdeek wrote: post #8

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Understood - but most EU states would have a national ID card which would make them ‘known’ to their own government. Not sure if all include biometrics (I know that the ID cards here in France are not all like that, though passports today are) but national ID cards cover all adults and children. Just seems weird that they would not include a couple of hundred million people that they definitely know something about b…

In Netherlands they make a copy of your fingerprint for your ID card (EU-wide) or passport. The copy of that fingerprint is deleted after it's stored electronically on your ID card or passport. There's no need to store a copy of e.g. the fingerprint anywhere else. Just sign the electronic data on the ID card/passport. Everyone here seems to assume that having biometric data on the passport means that there's a databa…

Post by TomMarius » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 9:01 AM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #28

zaarn wrote: post #6

Merging existing databases into one big one might be more accurate but that's modern journalism.

No, this is not "just" a merger! Prior to this latest crap, the databases were separate, including separate access controls, on a "need to know" basis. Now a shitload of agencies and their agents across the EU, including in untrustworthy countries like Poland, Hungary and Austria, can access all the sensitive data in one place. This is NOT good.