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Post by EduardoBautista »

throwaway44562 wrote: post #102
cletus wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My contention is that wouldn't matter. If they did adapt to the Chinese market and seriously started to eat market share from the likes of Alibaba I GUARANTEE you the rules would change to Amazon's disadvantage.

Nah, I doubt it. Just look at how successful Apple and Microsoft are in China. Other brands too. You don’t see the government changing the laws so Li-Ning can beat Nike.

Apple and Microsoft both have products that don't have any Chinese equal. Competing with macOS or Windows is probably the hardest thing to do in the software world at the moment.

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Post by Tsubasachan »

product50 wrote: post #32

Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world. But in China they were slow at execution? Does this read right to you? Or maybe there is a regulatory angle which no one is talking about because...China.

Not true.

https://www.bol.com/nl/

Amazon isn't some kind of god. If someone else is cheaper, faster and already well established they can be beaten.

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Post by scarmig »

giggles_giggles wrote: post #120
49531 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't think that is a bad thing per se. Countries who can consume and produce within themselves are going to succeed more than those who primarily import / export. If I were the Chines government I'd want to keep Amazon out as well.

>Countries who can consume and produce within themselves are going to succeed more than those who primarily import / export Citation heavily needed for that claim.

Take the natural experiment of the Korean peninsula. Who would prefer to live in the (relatively) free-trading, cosmopolitan hellhole of South Korea when they could live in the utopian autarky of North Korea?

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Post by manigandham »

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

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Post by philsnow »

contingencies wrote: post #26
ConfusedDog wrote: post #12

As a person have actually used TaoBao, JD, and Amazon.cn, I can tell Amazon.cn was far behind them on both execution and product variety. I only have a vague impression of China's rules imposed on business, if they did, for sure Amazon was screwed so badly it didn't move a single inch over the past few years. Literally done nothing at all to compete. I'm not surprised they gave up.

Never used z.cn but saw a few neighbours ordering from them in Shenzhen. Probably recent tech books in English I guess. I did try AWS in China and it was absolutely shocking . Clearly they never prioritized China and the inevitable happened. I run a business in China, it's not easy but it's interesting.

In amazonaws.cn there's no KMS and they only gave the ability to use virtual MFA devices at the end of 2017 [0]

All of this is to say nothing of the additional restrictions imposed by the government -- I agree with contingencies that it's "not easy" to run a business in (AWS) China, but I think that at this point everybody who's seriously thinking about doing so knows what to expect.

[0] https://www.amazonaws.cn/en/new/2017/now-add-additional-prot...

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Post by tanilama »

manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

Amazon isn't near top ever in China, it is like 1-2 percent of the market share.

Not that different than Microsoft sunset their gaming business in Japan

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Post by AareyBaba »

solidasparagus wrote: post #113
lambdasquirrel wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One wonders who the dominant player will be in India, or Africa.

Given India's protectionist stance towards foreign companies, I'm going to guess not Amazon or Walmart.

Companies like Harley-Davidson, Ford, GM, McDonalds, Dominos are running fine in India because they have plenty of local competition and create local jobs.

Walmart, Amazon are seeing resistance because they could potentially put thousand of small business owners out of work.

Boeing, Intel, Corning are doing great business in India because there are no local alternatives. I've even seen automotive lifts for auto repair shops with Made in USA in red-white-blue decals at local repair shops.

Companies like Visa and Mastercard will see protectionist moves by the government as India goes digital 'cause there is no reason for a foreign duopoly to corner the huge market in India.

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Post by mrb »

manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

I don't think the Chinese government had any role in destroying Amazon's business. In fact we can find counter-examples to your theory as there are foreign companies very successful in China: https://www.1421.consulting/2018/06/successful-foreign-compa...

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Post by manigandham »

tanilama wrote: post #127
manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

Amazon isn't near top ever in China, it is like 1-2 percent of the market share. Not that different than Microsoft sunset their gaming business in Japan

Amazon will never get greater market share because China's govt won't let them.

Microsoft did not leave Japan, they are in fact expanding Xbox Asia and have added an Asian team to the Global Gaming Partnership and Development (GDDP) division: https://www.google.com/search?q=xbox+asia+expanding

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