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Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by chrischen »

lordlimecat wrote: post #80
sytelus wrote: post #30

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Perhaps you didn’t read the article. This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong with likes of Alibaba doing massive shopping festivals that easily rivals Thanksgiving. Two day delivery is China is considered slow and nothing to be proud about. On the top of this, it looks there were control issues where leaders at Amazon.cn weren’t empowered to make decisions. I actually…

>This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong Why are local players very strong? * Regulatory capture * Government promotion of internal services * IP theft from western countries How about, all of the above?

Without providing sources or proof you’re just regurgitating highly anti-Chinese propaganda.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

chapium wrote: post #103
sytelus wrote: post #30

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Perhaps you didn’t read the article. This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong with likes of Alibaba doing massive shopping festivals that easily rivals Thanksgiving. Two day delivery is China is considered slow and nothing to be proud about. On the top of this, it looks there were control issues where leaders at Amazon.cn weren’t empowered to make decisions. I actually…

My inlaws got antsie when a delivery took 4 hours to show up. Home delivery is very fast in China.

4 hours is a bit extreme unless you are getting it delivered from the store in your apartment complex (which happens...a lot).

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Post by solidasparagus »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #70
philwelch wrote: post #64

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The entire Chinese economy has to do with government interference. The scales are absolutely tipped in favor of Chinese companies.

One wonders who the dominant player will be in India, or Africa.

Given India's protectionist stance towards foreign companies, I'm going to guess not Amazon or Walmart.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by [deleted] »

exabrial wrote: post #98
dangus wrote: post #86

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It's hard to compete when you're not competitive. Amazon still runs AWS in China with a Chinese partner. This is just Amazon.cn being unable to compete with local alternatives like Taobao. What you're saying isn't wrong but I don't think it's particularly relevant to this situation.

What about Uber and DiDi?

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Post by ajross »

intuitionist wrote: post #110
ajross wrote: post #109

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> Two day delivery is China is considered slow and nothing to be proud about. Within Beijing/Shanghai/Guangzhou, I'm sure that's true. Can Alibaba get a package delivered to Tibet in two days? Really this is just expressing the fact that effectively all of China's industrialized economy is concentrated in three urban centers.

Are you counting Shenzhen as part of Guangzhou? Surely it’s a center of the Chinese industrial economy. And while they might not be industrial centers, there are tens of millions of middle-class Chinese in places like Chongqing, Wuhan, Nanjing who presumably order stuff online sometimes.

I'm sure lots of people order stuff online, even in Tibet. I was asking for support for "two day shipping is no great shakes" upthread, which frankly I don't believe given the size of the country and the nature of its transportation grid.

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Post by 49531 »

philwelch wrote: post #64
sytelus wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you didn’t read the article. This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong with likes of Alibaba doing massive shopping festivals that easily rivals Thanksgiving. Two day delivery is China is considered slow and nothing to be proud about. On the top of this, it looks there were control issues where leaders at Amazon.cn weren’t empowered to make decisions. I actually…

The entire Chinese economy has to do with government interference. The scales are absolutely tipped in favor of Chinese companies.

I wouldn't think that is a bad thing per se. Countries who can consume and produce within themselves are going to succeed more than those who primarily import / export. If I were the Chines government I'd want to keep Amazon out as well.

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Post by nicodjimenez »

They are quitting the B2C e-commerce market, not the B2B market. B2C is an area where China is in many cases more advanced than the US, especially when it comes to mobile apps. US is more web app centric and China is more mobile app centric. China has really good apps like WeChat for which there doesn't exist an equivalent in the US.

Also it does look like Amazon in general is putting more resources into it's higher margin businesses (eg AWS and Echo) than e-commerce.

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Post by 8ytecoder »

solidasparagus wrote: post #113
lambdasquirrel wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One wonders who the dominant player will be in India, or Africa.

Given India's protectionist stance towards foreign companies, I'm going to guess not Amazon or Walmart.

They are the only two players now (for all practical purpose)

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by Tsubasachan »

sytelus wrote: post #30
cletus wrote: post #3

This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…

Perhaps you didn’t read the article. This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong with likes of Alibaba doing massive shopping festivals that easily rivals Thanksgiving. Two day delivery is China is considered slow and nothing to be proud about. On the top of this, it looks there were control issues where leaders at Amazon.cn weren’t empowered to make decisions. I actually…

AliBaba is already gaining marketshare in Europe. The Chinese company supports local payment systems, their customer service is surprisingly good, they are actually hungry for business and most importantly CHEAP. Amazon got a bit arrogant and complacent. Probably because of their god status in the US.

One of the best things about capitalism is that nobody is safe.

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Post by giggles_giggles »

49531 wrote: post #116
philwelch wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire Chinese economy has to do with government interference. The scales are absolutely tipped in favor of Chinese companies.

I wouldn't think that is a bad thing per se. Countries who can consume and produce within themselves are going to succeed more than those who primarily import / export. If I were the Chines government I'd want to keep Amazon out as well.

>Countries who can consume and produce within themselves are going to succeed more than those who primarily import / export

Citation heavily needed for that claim.

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