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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by dplgk »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #447
dplgk wrote: post #430

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Except it's not a fine Italian motorcycle which is for leisurely cruises along mountain roads and tweaking in your garage - it's for getting work done.

Well the owner should have thought about that before they decided to plan on commuting with it. Don't get me wrong, whether you commute on a motorcycle (in the west, obviously, tons of people commute on motorcycles and mopeds in the east) or use an MBP as you work laptop it will work most of the time, maybe all the time depending on how you treat it and there may be some rewards to it depending on your specific situa…

It's called "pro". I could understand an iPad or Macbook Air being a fashion accessory.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by vikingcaffiene »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #447
dplgk wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's not a fine Italian motorcycle which is for leisurely cruises along mountain roads and tweaking in your garage - it's for getting work done.

Well the owner should have thought about that before they decided to plan on commuting with it. Don't get me wrong, whether you commute on a motorcycle (in the west, obviously, tons of people commute on motorcycles and mopeds in the east) or use an MBP as you work laptop it will work most of the time, maybe all the time depending on how you treat it and there may be some rewards to it depending on your specific situa…

> Well the owner should have thought about that before they decided to plan on commuting with it.

No.

If I spend thousands of dollars on something it had better be built to last. It's not an Italian motorcycle. It's supposed to be a high quality tool. I pay those prices because I am serious about what I do and need the best tools to get me there. That was what Apple used to bring to the table and was why I would pay those prices. I have a 2013 MBP that I paid an arm and a leg for at the time it came out. Its still a great machine and I have no complaints. I plan to hang onto it for as long as I can.

Contrast that with my wife. She has the latest gen mbp and her keyboard stopped working today. Keep in mind that this is the one that apple sent us as a replacement for the first one she bought which also had keyboard problems. We had to bring in 4 times to the genius bar and leave for weeks at a time before finally putting our foot down. These machines are lemons.

I don't spend money on this stuff for status or bragging rights. I have shit to do and I will spend what I have to spend to not have my tools hinder me. I don't trust apple to deliver that anymore which sucks because I have invested a lot in their ecosystem.

PS. my wife is selling that POS computer and buying an X1 Carbon. I will be too when the time comes. Apple has squandered a decade of goodwill with this shit and I am now actively working at getting out of their ecosystem.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by reacharavindh »

13rac1 wrote: post #497
reacharavindh wrote: post #416

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Very much there with you. I run MacOS on my MBP for work. I built a workstation at home and run Ubuntu on it. I decided to upgrade to latest Ubuntu drooling over the GNOME perf improvements and I have a system that wont connect to any network and the settings app won't open and would like to send a crash dump to Canonical :-( I can afford such problems on my personal desktop, google the issues and spend a part of day…

This is why both my work and personal machines only run LTS versions.

Does that mean you don't have such issues when upgrading from LTS to LTS? No snark. Seriously asking. Are LTS versions generally better in this regard?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by matthoiland »

camelNotation wrote: post #410
cmiles74 wrote: post #324

A co-worked of mine convinced the company to buy them a MacBook (the first the company has ever purchased) to replace their aging Dell laptop. They have been doing more and more work on the company's iOS app and the aging Mac mini the company had purchased needed to replaced anyway. After having the laptop for just over a year, they called me upset as the laptop would no longer power on. After some gentle interrogati…

Not only are Thinkpad keyboards the most comfortable and satisfying on the market, you can literally pour water on them and it will drain out the bottom of the laptop without ever touching internal components. After using my Thinkpad for about six months, I can't go back. The keyboard is amazing, build quality is rock solid, screen is 4k with 100% RGB, and you can actually upgrade the thing. I buy a laptop because I…

I did the same thing. I need OSX, but hate the current laptop lineup. So I got a Mac Mini, eGPU, and a killer screen. Cheaper than an iMac, crazy performance, and very upgradable (apart from the soldiered SSD). Looking hard at a Thinkpad for my next laptop, even as a strict OSX user since 2004.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by bgorman »

moftz wrote: post #522
npongratz wrote: post #458

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Good to know, thanks! Do both lines have completely different engineering and management leadership? That might put me at some ease.

The Ideapads are built like the cheap piece of crap x86 Windows laptops you can buy from anyone. They are fine for grandma checking her email but they are not meant to be on the move or do anything hard. I'm assuming the engineering teams are totally different. Thinkpads aren't cheap and the build quality generally shows that.

Thinkpad quality is nowhere near what it was when IBM was building them however :(

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by Anechoic »

Nextgrid wrote: post #404
Anechoic wrote: post #221

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don't mention the Enterprise edition which you can only get in volume, so no solution for freelancers & small businesses I agree with your larger point and most of your bullet points, but just as an FYI to anyone that's looking into Enterprise edition: you can get Enterprise licenses in small volumes. Because of various data security clauses in some of our contracts, and MS's refusal to discuss issues like HIPAA comp…

Just wondering as to why I have to deal with a reseller (and find one - it’s not like they just give you a link in the system settings saying “hey, want enterprise? Get it here!”). This is one of the few places where their miserable App Store can make a difference, and yet they don’t even use it.

Totally agreed -- the answer is that MS apparently wants to placate their resellers, so they limit sales through that channel. Like I said, it sucks, but it's possible.

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Post by sbuk »

TheOperator wrote: post #521
sbuk wrote: post #402

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Annecdata. I had someone accidentally knock a glass of water over a working T440s and it died.

They're water resistant not water proof. If you pour water right down the CPU vents you're gonna have a bad time.

OP suggested otherwise...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by gotrythis »

After using Windows since the beginning, I switched to Mac and leased a top-of-the-line MacBook and iPad, lured in by their great build quality and Mac-only software.

Neither reliably works for input!

The Mac has the keyboard issue, and the iPad has the less well known issue with randomly not being able to recognize fingers. Neither is fixable.

When the lease is up this fall, I will own them. The Mac will become a desktop testing machine, as it's useless as a laptop. The iPad works with pen, so I'll still use it for some purposes. But I wish I could sell them!

I can't though, because unlike Apple, I could not ethically sell these to some other sucker. Such a waste of money. I've lost all respect for Apple and will avoid them at all costs from now on.

Getting the next MS Surface Book for my next laptop.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by rocky1138 »

gotrythis wrote: post #538

After using Windows since the beginning, I switched to Mac and leased a top-of-the-line MacBook and iPad, lured in by their great build quality and Mac-only software. Neither reliably works for input! The Mac has the keyboard issue, and the iPad has the less well known issue with randomly not being able to recognize fingers. Neither is fixable. When the lease is up this fall, I will own them. The Mac will become a de…

If you're concerned about ethics when you go to sell, you can confirm with the buyer that they have owned one previously and know what they are getting into. That way, you're in the clear.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

TheOperator wrote: post #518
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #505

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Note that I believe the water pouring trick does not apply to the Thinkpad Carbon X1. I killed a third gen X1 years ago from a water spill. Luckily Lenovo fixed it for $500.

It really irritates me how much of a form over function bad laptop the X1 is. Yet Lenovo won't sell stuff like their best screens with say their T-series lineup so you have to make compromises either way.

What are the issues? I love my X1. I had one for work a few years ago and finally bought my own recently. It’s perfect for me. Can’t upgrade the ram, but that’s par for the course on ultraportables.
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