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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by culturestate »

caddytodaddy wrote: post #128
culturestate wrote: post #45

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The other commenter makes good points re: the cognitive cost of switching platforms, but let me give you another point of view: the Apple ecosystem is, actually, shockingly good. My Apple Watch unlocks all of my Macs. When I join a new WiFi network on my iPhone, those credentials are immediately available to my iPad. When my iPhone rings, it pauses video playing on my Apple TV until I ignore the call. To send a link…

The use case was server side data analysis. If it’s important work the researcher should get the much much more powerful server and run Linux like most sane people do. Who cares if your server can pair with your Apple Watch or use WhatsApp.

For all we know, the researcher could've also mistaken their real RAM requirements and 64GB would give them equal performance. I'd rather walk them through the options and then let them make the decision that they're most comfortable with, rather than mandating something that they don't want and which might make them less efficient as a result.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by sethammons »

coldtea wrote: post #127
threeseed wrote: post #124

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Apple Pencil 1 actually came with an adapter to charge it. I take it you've never used it before.

I take it you've never read Apple's instructions before: "To charge your Apple Pencil (1st generation), PLUG YOUR Apple Pencil INTO THE Lightning connector ON YOUR iPad. You can ALSO charge it with a USB Power Adapter by using the Apple Pencil Charging Adapter that came with your Apple Pencil." Emphasis mine. Apple not only designed this BS way to charge, but also promoted it as the canonical way on their official do…

I'm not following, why emphasise the words you did? Reminds me of Austin Powers not being able to control the volume of his voice.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by robertAngst »

ricardobeat wrote: post #143
robertAngst wrote: post #138

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My last company gave us iPhones, and I was excited to try an Apple product without giving Apple money. Wow, I felt like I was using a phone that was 5 years old. I only imagine Apple users have Allegory of the Cave effect, they don't know whats out there. Leaving the cave is lots of work, so they enjoy whats available for them.

What about the phone/OS made you feel that? Your comment is offensively patronising. Have you considered the chance you’re also suffering from bias of having used the same systems for years?

I'll list my problems, I don't expect this to go over well, but since you asked-

>Apple's podcast app was glitchy/laggy.

>Apple maps took me a 'long' way, but it didn't know traffic was bad. I give them a 50% pass.

>Apple maps telling you to turn at the last second...

>The home screen is not on the same level as Android, no widgets in 2019.

>Controls, I felt like things werent intuitive, but thats an opinion thing.

>Updates, oh my god, it seemed like every day I needed to update, and every time I needed to sign in, and enter password

>I didn't like the animations, they took too long. Maybe I could have turned them off.

I can't think of anything else about the iphone product, so I'll let everyone tell me these are 'features' that are great.

Then there is an entirely different list about Apple being 'evil', being anti-competitive, closed, hackable, anti-consumer, poor treatment of workers, etc.. I consider working and buying products from 'evil' companies bad capitalism. I don't see them doing anything to remedy these.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by robertAngst »

vbezhenar wrote: post #147
robertAngst wrote: post #134

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>Even with the issues above it still has an excellent display, I like the keyboard (waiting to start having issues), and the battery life is the best I’ve ever had. I don't understand this. I understand not liking Linux Desktop(I hate it, but LOVE LOVE LOVE Ubuntu Server, fav OS of all time) And... the screen is what has you sold on Apple OS? I'm flustered at this logic. Pretty screen-> Good operating system I only i…

It is good experience to be able to buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good. Choosing among thousands of alternatives is pretty frustrating. What brand should I choose? HP, Dell, Lenovo, IBM, Acer, Asus, whatever? I need good display, fast CPU, good battery life, enough RAM. Pretty vague requirements. You are buying Macbook and it's just good, you don't have any regrets, because its CPU is o…

>buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good.

The alternative is that you spend 30 minutes of research and get a superior product cheaper.

This isnt an opinion, this is reality.

You can find a computer with better specs than Apple, cheaper. I'm not sympathetic to the 'mom' who doesn't know what RAM is, they get penalized by Apple for being an uninformed consumer.

Is there any reason for a 'Nerd' to pick Apple?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by seba_dos1 »

zaphar wrote: post #146
robertAngst wrote: post #134

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>Even with the issues above it still has an excellent display, I like the keyboard (waiting to start having issues), and the battery life is the best I’ve ever had. I don't understand this. I understand not liking Linux Desktop(I hate it, but LOVE LOVE LOVE Ubuntu Server, fav OS of all time) And... the screen is what has you sold on Apple OS? I'm flustered at this logic. Pretty screen-> Good operating system I only i…

I send easily 8-10 hours per day looking at my screen. Screen quality has a large effect on how tied my eyes are at the end of the day. When I was younger it wasn't as noticeable but I'm not young anymore and my eyes are noticeable happier with the MacBook Pro screen that any other screen I've tried. For me it's an issue of eye health.

There are plenty of non-Apple hidpi laptops.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by steve19 »

LeonM wrote: post #56
stunt wrote: post #39

X1 Carbon and XPS 13 are still the best hardware out there if you are using Linux.

X1 Extreme is a better choice imo, up to 64G (replaceable), 2 m.2 slots, a GTX1050 for casual gaming or ML and a 4K display. I have one on order. There is also the P1, which comes with a Xeon (!) option and Quadro P1000 graphics. The market for the P1 is pretty specific, but if you need those nVidia certified drivers, this is the one. Edit: obviously you wouldn't run Linux on the P1 if you bought it for the certified…

I'm in the market to replace my macbook. Does the X1 Extreme support usb-c charging (charging the laptop with usb-c)?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by [deleted] »

zaphar wrote: post #146
robertAngst wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Even with the issues above it still has an excellent display, I like the keyboard (waiting to start having issues), and the battery life is the best I’ve ever had. I don't understand this. I understand not liking Linux Desktop(I hate it, but LOVE LOVE LOVE Ubuntu Server, fav OS of all time) And... the screen is what has you sold on Apple OS? I'm flustered at this logic. Pretty screen-> Good operating system I only i…

I send easily 8-10 hours per day looking at my screen. Screen quality has a large effect on how tied my eyes are at the end of the day. When I was younger it wasn't as noticeable but I'm not young anymore and my eyes are noticeable happier with the MacBook Pro screen that any other screen I've tried. For me it's an issue of eye health.

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by seba_dos1 »

darrmit wrote: post #117

It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

> but I just don’t have time to a.) tune and configure it to work and have decent battery life with whatever hardware I choose or b.) troubleshoot it when it randomly decides to break itself on update

From my experience, troubleshooting macOS when it randomly decides to break is almost a Windows-like experience - lots of frustration and no sensible help on the internet (unless your problem is so trivial it gets solved by something like NVRAM reset, because this is the best advice you can count on online). I absolutely prefer GNU/Linux where, if something breaks, it's not that hard to get it back to sensible state.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by tigershark »

microtonal wrote: post #35
sundvor wrote: post #26

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My laptop of choice (X1 Carbon) consistently gets a pretty good rep for its keyboard. I'm still using my ~6.5 year old first generation (top spec) and the keyboard remains flawless. But then again they actually test for foreign particle ingression: https://solutions.lenovo.com/resource-center/pc-solutions/pa...

Practically any laptop has a good keyboard compared to the first two generations of butterfly keyboards. I have suffered through a MacBook Pro with the second generation butterfly mechanism. Although I liked the feel of the pristine keyboard, pretty soon specks of dusts made keys get stuck/repeat regularly. I also had a can of compressed air to blow out the dust regularly. Between the broken keyboard and only 2 USB-C…

Be happy until also this keyboard starts failing.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by muraiki »

I had slowly been moving into the Apple ecosystem, buying an iPad, iPhone, and even a HomePod and Apple Music. I was largely motivated by a respect for Apple's stance on privacy. Then it came time for me to buy a laptop and I encountered these numerous reports of Apple screwing up one of the most basic parts of the computer. I couldn't justify spending so much on a laptop plus AppleCare, which would only result in getting another keyboard that suffers from the same problem.

I realized that this is what Apple lock-in means, and now I'm leaving their ecosystem. Whereas before I would tell friends and family to just get Apple products, now I'll them to buy a Chromebook or Windows laptop. Maybe this is why I keep seeing the newly released Macbook Air on sale for $200 off...

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