I made a Twitter and tried to follow just programmers for some wisdom, but it’s just left wing politics, humble bragging, or bashing of some sort. Just not worth the time.
Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter
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No no no, the content producers are the ones doing the work and the readers should be funding the platform somehow. And possibly the creators too. I'd like a "Reddit gold"-like system. (I know I wouldn't pay to post because I have lurked on metafilter for most of its life but never paid the $5 to post)
Make the readers pay and you'll lose your audience. Make the posters pay and you'll lose your content. Without advertising, that means the service cannot make a profit. Maybe that's the solution to the puzzle.
Make the posters pay and you'll lose your content.
I think that's only true if you try to charge all posters.
Advertising is actively damaging our social networks, as it did newspapers before them.
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But what if most people like it? I have to say I think it makes a lot of sense. If a high number of people I follow like something, you might want to show it to me too.
Isn't that what the feed is? Now you have 2 feeds...
My bad, I missed that this thread was just on the notifications section.
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If that maximized user engagement, then that is the UI they would present. The fact that they don't do that should tell you that their tests have shown algorithmic feeds are more engaging for users.
“User engagement” on social media platforms in 2019 is a proxy for “triggering users emotional responses and luring them into internet arguments” Min maxed “user engagement” is almost certainly a net negative for society at large
> “triggering users emotional responses and luring them into internet arguments”
Oh yeah?! Well... YOU'RE an internet argument!
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#175> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…
Algorithmic feeds are, in all cases, Satan's handiwork. What I want is to see posts from the individuals I have selected, interleaved in chronological order, with no tampering.
> posts from the individuals I have selected, interleaved in chronological order
You have just described an algorithm, I believe.
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#176It's time to rethink twitter and launch another service. Readers want to see the content they select, in the order they select, from people/posters they find interesting. Have conversations and maybe connect with people they follow. Posters want to control their feed and who sees it, control the conversation a bit more, perhaps pay for better tools to curate replies, get rid of spam/trolls etc, have their complaints…
> Advertising is at the root of the problems of Twitter This is true, but it's not only advertising. Replace ads with any revenue generator large enough to sustain the service and you'll find that (1) the audience disappears or (2) big compromises in user experience or privacy. Maybe some services just can't be delivered by profit-maximizing corporations at all. A big reason for the wildly improbable success of Wikip…
Interesting idea. Paying for the service/hosting could be a problem, but is not insurmountable if users take on moderation.
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#177I don't understand why Twitter hasn't implemented some kind of reputation gradient that would allow users to filter by levels. Yes, I realize they are tricky to implement and subject to abuse but imagine you got points for using your real name, real photo, demerits for insults etc, then users could filter out hordes of trolls and gutter nonsense and instead focus on the meaningful conversations that do actually occur…
wouldn't it be incredibly easy for this kind of system to be abused by opposing cliques? erroneous mob reporting is already common enough, giving aggrieved parties the ability to do cumulative damage to someone seems like it would only amplify that behavior.
>Instead they rely solely on blacklisting
twitter has implemented very heavy handed throttling as well in order limit the reach of users deemed unsavory. whether this is a good thing or not is up for debate. in some sense i wonder if these networks have simply become too generalized to be moderated effectively in a manner that satisfies all of the different facets of the userbase.
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No no no, the content producers are the ones doing the work and the readers should be funding the platform somehow. And possibly the creators too. I'd like a "Reddit gold"-like system. (I know I wouldn't pay to post because I have lurked on metafilter for most of its life but never paid the $5 to post)
Readers will never, ever pay. That's not sustainable and you need them to attract posters. Content producers on the other hand are an assorted mix of businesses (make money from attention/clicks), personalities (make money from attention), influencers (make money from attention), academics (no money). If you have an audience many of them would pay. You could charge the top 10% of content producers/businesses for bett…
> Readers will never, ever pay. That's not sustainable and you need them to attract posters.
You guys on HN keep saying this.
I keep paying. I pay for the local newspaper that I disagree wildly with. I pay for one of the big national ones (that I could mostly read for free anyway). I pay for Spotify, for Linux magazines, a couple of donations to the Guardian and sometimes I pay for Netflix as well (rarely have time to watch and they "forget" to copy half their content to European servers.) In addition I've supported Wintergatan on YouTube lately.
I could even pay more if it wasn't that almost every newspaper and what not seems obsessed with the subscription idea, I cannot subscribe to all of you but I'd be happy to pay 1/4, 1/2 or even $1 for a single story that I want to read.
Am I alone? Is everyone else so "smart" to sit back with their adblockers, torrent clients and what not and just complain about how it seems to get worse?
Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter
#179> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…
During the Joe Rogan podcast, he mentioned that what they are trying to attempt to give people the "other side" of the story rather than promoting creation of echo chambers.
"Here we have a climatologist, and for balance, someone who believes the Earth is a computer simulation, and another who is certain it's flat and was created by the Illuminati who are alien lizards."
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What I really dislike is the spam in the notifications section. If someone likes my tweet, replies to it or retweets it, that's relevant. I don't however want to see a notification for something Tweeter deems interesting under other people you follow liked/retweed this as a notification.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually really like this feature. I'm usually not able to get to everything, so it's great to know when something important or interesting got tweeted and I know to check it out. That notification was actually what slowly made me an active Twitter user, because they kept surfacing me interesting content and giving me a reason to come back and it became a gateway for me to discove…
Sometimes it shows me stuff from users I've blocked, which I find really irritating.