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Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by jkchu »

jsnell wrote: post #2

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…

Honestly, if the relevant content they showed be was actually relevant and interesting, I wouldn't mind at all. That is a big "if" though.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by nicklaf »

If I can't google programming-related search terms and get back a publicly facing page for that tweet, then I'd consider the site as dead as G+ for research purposes.

We need to stop useful community content from getting black holed into walled gardens of Eternal September.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by munk-a »

wolco wrote: post #7
jsnell wrote: post #2

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…

It's both for me at once. I want to see a specific topic and only 5 people's tweets around it. I rarely search but isn't that what hashtags solve? I think changes could be good but history says it will be worse.

_Maybe_ if they removed all their weird gating and order logic and presented tweets as a list of time ordered events that match the hashtag you're searching for (including user sources) and have another tab for tweets people you're following have retweeted and for tweets in your subject that were popular then they'd fix it...

Basically if they actually let users see the data they are holding onto.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by veryworried »

Excuse my outburst, but I'm wondering when these social network algorithms are going to realize: I don't follow "interests", I follow PEOPLE.

If you want to show users random news and gossip, then make a fucking news website already.

It's like if you build a chatroom, except instead of simply showing things that people in the current room are saying as they say it, it mostly pulls in vaguely similar stuff that people in other rooms are saying, and then sorts all messages in order of whoever is the most popular or says the most relevant keywords.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by baggy_trough »

jsnell wrote: post #2

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…

Algorithmic feeds are, in all cases, Satan's handiwork. What I want is to see posts from the individuals I have selected, interleaved in chronological order, with no tampering.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by EForEndeavour »

criddell wrote: post #14
ordinaryperson wrote: post #8

I don't understand why Twitter hasn't implemented some kind of reputation gradient that would allow users to filter by levels. Yes, I realize they are tricky to implement and subject to abuse but imagine you got points for using your real name, real photo, demerits for insults etc, then users could filter out hordes of trolls and gutter nonsense and instead focus on the meaningful conversations that do actually occur…

I'd like that as well. Make the process so anybody can be verified then let me configure my client to only show stuff from verified users. I'd like to see them try other things too. One of the nice features in G+ was that the owner of a thread (the originator) could delete replies. I think that could work nicely in Twitter too.

> One of the nice features in G+ was that the owner of a thread (the originator) could delete replies. I think that could work nicely in Twitter too.

Interesting; I think adding this feature without changing anything else would severely exacerbate the already intolerable echo-chamber effect. Sure, trolling and abuse would lose visibility, but so would even slightly contrary opinions. Thought bubbles would shrink even further, and the platform would become even less enjoyable. (Context: I'm a light Twitter user, reading ~10 min/day and sending 1-2 tweets/month)

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by richmarr »

AimForTheBushes wrote: post #4
jsnell wrote: post #2

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…

No matter how many times I click "Show less of this" it keeps coming back.

Anyone who's in a position to use Tweetdeck instead of Twitter's web UI will find a free, Twitter-maintained, product with no annoying algorithms and no advertising.

It's the version of Twitter targeted at newsrooms, etc.

I assume a lot of people already know and have reasons why they don't... but likely not everyone here has tried it so it may be worth repeating.

https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by Bokanovsky »

jsnell wrote: post #2

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it Yeah, no thanks. Has anybody ever been happy with Twitter's attempts to force content from non-followed users into the feed? A couple of times a year they'll opt everybody back into whatever crappy experiment they're running ("hey, we'll put some posts to your…

What I really dislike is the spam in the notifications section. If someone likes my tweet, replies to it or retweets it, that's relevant. I don't however want to see a notification for something Tweeter deems interesting under other people you follow liked/retweed this as a notification.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by hanniabu »

ordinaryperson wrote: post #8

I don't understand why Twitter hasn't implemented some kind of reputation gradient that would allow users to filter by levels. Yes, I realize they are tricky to implement and subject to abuse but imagine you got points for using your real name, real photo, demerits for insults etc, then users could filter out hordes of trolls and gutter nonsense and instead focus on the meaningful conversations that do actually occur…

If it's an improvement, it's almost certain that Twitter won't implement it.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by riffic »

jelling wrote: post #15

> He suggested that the service works best as an “interest-based network,” where you log in and see content relevant to your interests, no matter who posted it So reddit. If you stick to smaller, interested based subs, reddit is a far superior product because it has human moderators and threading. The "breaking news" aspect of Twitter is extremely oversold imo, but people post things just as quickly on reddit.

I always tell people if they sign up for reddit, to immediately unsubscribe from the defaults and to specifically search for and subscribe to communities they may be interested in such as a subreddit for the city/state they live in or for any career interest or hobbies they have.
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