The dark side of open source conferences [about women being harassed]

Post by kolektiv » Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 2:49 PM UTC

ErrantX wrote: post #54

rb2k_ wrote: post #33

What annoys me is that the article talks about a "problem of a sexualized environment", but the [post]( http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/418/ ) that is being refered to describes things like this: > I lay across the bed, sat on laps, generally tried to squish in to any available space and get time to talk to all the fabulous people thronging the place. [...] I had a few drinks. I was wearing a skirt of such a length…

Yes... and there was not necessarily anything wrong with making a pass at her (i.e. taking her aside and going for a kiss etc, although it's hardly well executed it is harmless and she clearly views it that way) But when rebuffed you don't then feel her up . There is a line to be crossed; she brought the passes on herself to be sure, but not the assault. (EDIT: the replies to this make it clear my point got a bit twi…

Post by unwind » Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 2:50 PM UTC

follower wrote: post #3

While I'm pleased to see this article on HN, is it appropriate to use a "subscriber link" in a public forum like HN?

Post by JoachimSchipper » Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 2:53 PM UTC

rb2k_ wrote: post #33

What annoys me is that the article talks about a "problem of a sexualized environment", but the [post]( http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/418/ ) that is being refered to describes things like this: > I lay across the bed, sat on laps, generally tried to squish in to any available space and get time to talk to all the fabulous people thronging the place. [...] I had a few drinks. I was wearing a skirt of such a length…

Post by JoachimSchipper » Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 2:55 PM UTC

JonnieCache wrote: post #40

follower wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sounds like people need to be more willing to stand up for themselves and their friends Potentially "being different" in addition to standing up and out can be a daunting prospect. There's a lot of perceived social risk in such situations.

>Potentially "being different" in addition to standing up and out can be a daunting prospect. This is laughable considering how much talk there is in the hacker world of defying convention, challenging conventional wisdom, standing out from the crowd, changing the world and associated platitudes.

Post by timelinex » Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 2:57 PM UTC

brazzy wrote: post #62

timelinex wrote: post #43

As a general rule: Don't shit where you eat. Some of the incident she describe are legit sexual harassment and others are a male trying to pick up a lady. Don't do that ever where you work or have important business to attend[your technique maybe lacking]. I Genuinely think this is not really a Geek problem. There is statistically large number of people with sexual deviation. For instance, it is estimated that betwee…

None of the incidents described carry any hint of sexual deviancy. The worst of them are "just" cases of someone making unwanted sexual advances - being (way) too quick to go beyond flirting and too slow to back off. This can be due to a lack of respect for women in general, but also due to a mix of social ineptness and sheer desparation. And you can't tell me the latter is not statistically more likely to occur in g…