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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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He wasn't in the UK.

Extraterritoriality of embassies is a myth. Assange was in the UK when he was in the Ecuadorian embassy. However, the UK authorities could not have removed him from the embassy without violating the Vienna Convention.

> Extraterritoriality of embassies is a myth...

Along with the myth of not being "in" country X when you're in airside transit on an international-international itinerary through an airport there.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Agreed, sounds like the friend agreed to sell 100 tabs. Whether or not you actually sell them doesn't matter, I think making the offer to an agent is probably illegal in the same way it's illegal to offer to murder someone for money.

I can't imagine that this is a true story. Which country is throwing someone into jail for 1,5 years for offering to sell someone lsd?

Especially Federal prison (most crime in the US is under state jurisdiction). It doesn't add up at all.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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I had a friend once who did 18 months Federal time for just saying he could get 100 tabs of LSD at a forest rave in central Florida. Not having it...not getting any...not even showing the undercover agent even one damn tab. His charge ended up being "Conspiracy Against the United States" or something along those lines. So I am pretty sure the US government will come up with some rather bogus charge against Assange, c…

It's very unlikely that the facts resemble anything like that. What's your friends name? I'll happily pay the Pacer fees to see what the charging document says.

Not OP, but if it were my friend (and if I was any kind of friend at all) I wouldn't be dropping his name on a publicly accessible forum so a ton of people can violate his privacy.

Might be better to privately exchange the name and then update us with the results without revealing any identity.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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There are a number of things connecting Assange to Russia.

https://www.salon.com/2017/01/07/donald-trump-julian-assange... this lists six such things.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/303172-pus... is particularly damaging because one of the arguments of the "Wikileaks is not a Russian org" is that it sympathetizes and works with Pussy Riot...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/wikileaks-inside-the-farage-as...

https://gizmodo.com/assange-turned-down-dirt-on-russia-stron...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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If Assange gets extradited on a charge that the previous administration wouldn't push but the administration his organization assisted in getting elected is willing to (because they don't care about such a paltry thing as "endangering the protections provided to freedom of the press by the US Constitution"), it will be the highest of ironies.

The US government is not a monolith, it consists of many competing factions. It's not at all obvious which faction initiated the extradition request, or for what purpose. It's possible this is to pressure Assange to provide evidence in the investigation into Russian influence on the 2016 election. It's also possible this is an attempt to sequester him to prevent disclosure of information about those events. A third p…

It's interesting that it may have been avoidable if he'd accepted rendition to Sweden to stand trial for the sexual assault accusation, given that the previous administration was apparently uninterested in extraditing him for this charge.

He likely made the situation worse by hiding out in the embassy---he became a symbol of something untouchable by American power, and this administration cares more about that sort of perception than the previous one.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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I just want to know, from the people who seemed to have turned against Assange, how do you know it's not a concerted disinformation / propaganda campaign to remove all his credibility and reduce public support? By my reckoning It's really hard to know what to even believe about a guy who might credibly be targeted by that.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Correspondence_betwe...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Allegations_of_Russi...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Any possible relation to the arrest of Assange? IMF board approves $4.2 bln financing deal with Ecuador March 11 (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund’s executive board approved the $4.2 billion financing deal with Ecuador https://www.reuters.com/article/ecuador-imf/imf-board-approv...

Ecuador has been reeling with weak economic growth and increased debt for a while now. Although there were still other options to finance their problems for the time being, it is likely that Ecuador has requested IMF financing and it has been blocked at the executive level for a few years on the condition that they played ball. Coupled that with the fact that Assange lost almost all his political capital and 'friendl…

Is there any actual evidence for this at all?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Hillary had "joked" about droning Assange before.

There is no evidence that this happened except an article from Wikileaks itself citing "sources at the State Department". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/julian-assange-drone-strik...

Clinton's 'I didn't say that, but if I did, it would have been a joke' is exactly what politicians say when they said something they don't want attributed to them but aren't sure if there's any evidence of them saying it.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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If Assange gets extradited on a charge that the previous administration wouldn't push but the administration his organization assisted in getting elected is willing to (because they don't care about such a paltry thing as "endangering the protections provided to freedom of the press by the US Constitution"), it will be the highest of ironies.

The US government is not a monolith, it consists of many competing factions. It's not at all obvious which faction initiated the extradition request, or for what purpose. It's possible this is to pressure Assange to provide evidence in the investigation into Russian influence on the 2016 election. It's also possible this is an attempt to sequester him to prevent disclosure of information about those events. A third p…

The fourth possibility - and this one never ceases to be true in all cases when it comes to the Feds - is that the people seeking his prosecution are spiteful as hell. They are not used to not getting their way. It's extremely fearsome to go up against the US Government when it wants your neck, because they have so many ways to destroy your life all around the world. They have infinite resources for all practical purposes and can just keep coming at you.

One of the few consistencies I've seen in my lifetime across all major US Government agencies is that they seem to hold grudges forever. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about the FBI, CIA, Pentagon, DOJ, IRS or SEC. Assange, out there, is a persistent waving defiance of their perceived power and reach (and worse, right in the US sphere of influence).

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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It's a "done deal", he WILL be extradited. https://www.exaronews.com/julian-assange-to-be-extradited-wi...

Was 7 years self-imprisonment in an embassy worth it? I'd like to know how.

Depends on the person, if they hold personal values higher than whatever the outcome may be.
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