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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by kadendogthing »

acct1771 wrote: post #448
matt4077 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- By everything I've read of his behaviour, even before he became famous, the accusations seemed to be very much his style - The specifics, i. e. secretly removing the condom, seem to invite all sorts of "that's not rape" opinions, making them a rather bad choice compared to stereotypical violent rape. - The supposed CIA connection of the accuser is a laughable 10-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon connection involving her atten…

This is incredibly ill-informed, or very carefully constructed disinformation, and I'm uncomfortable that I can't tel the difference. For example: there were many illegal, suggestions of illegal, and offensive things in those, and related, email leaks, for supporters and detractors of HRC. > If you're intent to discredit Assange among his fanbase, which is largely young, male, and online: isn't rape actually the wors…

>here were many illegal, suggestions of illegal, and offensive things in those, and related, email leaks, for supporters and detractors of HRC.

Can you provide some examples? I went out of my way to find the source of the fervor surrounding the leaks, but I personally couldn't find anything worth getting up in arms about.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by kmlx »

wolco wrote: post #419
kmlx wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wikileaks/Assange during the recent US presidential elections. that’s what did it for me. even now, knowing what we now about Russian interference, they still have the “Hillary Clinton email archive” proudly displayed on their homepage. also, there are those rape cases for which he ran away. shady stuff.

Knowing what we know? What do we know now. The Russian narrative worked so well. I can't believe it was so easy to fool Americans.

I was born in Eastern Europe. Russian subversion is rife in the region. and they've been at it for decades, no impunity.

it's so common that people from my region have a special affinity for detecting Russian propaganda. we see it from a mile away. even so, the Russians know which buttons to press and where. see Ukraine.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #627
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Essentially, someone in Assange's situation should be extremely careful, to the point of paranoia, to not get into any sort of trouble with the law because even a minor transgression (though the sexual assault allegations were not minor) could become an opportunity for a much more severe treatment than usual.

Case in point the Defense Distributed guy who got caught having done business with an underage hooker (as if people check their hooker's ID) and that was the end of him. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Wilson#Sexual_assault_cha...

That's not a "case in point". I was talking about minor transgressions, not having sex with a minor.

I find your comment quite disturbing, to be honest.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by cubano »

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

I had a friend once who did 18 months Federal time for just saying he could get 100 tabs of LSD at a forest rave in central Florida.

Not having it...not getting any...not even showing the undercover agent even one damn tab.

His charge ended up being "Conspiracy Against the United States" or something along those lines.

So I am pretty sure the US government will come up with some rather bogus charge against Assange, considering how he humiliated it.

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Post by jhawk28 »

mc32 wrote: post #634
Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

Looks like the indictment is conspiracy with Manning. Manning was pardoned[1] by the Obama admin. Does that have any bearing on Assange’s case? [1] I’ve been corrected; her sentence was commuted.

Obama commuted the sentence. Pardon would have wiped the charges. Commuting just shortened the penalty.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by isostatic »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #552

Considering Assange is not a US citizen, how could their be ground for an extradition to the US? This doesn't sound right

The U.S. often extradites non-US nationals [0], even ones that have never been to the U.S. in their entire lives [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest_Three [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by [deleted] »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #629
antt wrote: post #513

And be prepared for the 180 degree turn in the liberal circles when the Republicans try to get him executed. With friends like the Democrats do progressives really need enemies?

According to the article, the crime for which he'd be extradited has a maximum penalty of five years in prison, not death.

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by dragonwriter »

belorn wrote: post #487

I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.

> I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US

I've never seen anyone argue that.

I've seen people argue that the idea that extradition to Sweden exposed him to greater danger of that than merely being present in the UK, and that the Swedish extradition was part of convoluted plot that existed solely so he could be extradited from Sweden to the US, was a ridiculous notion that didn't really make any sense, since if the US wanted him they would just extradite him directly from the UK. Which remains true, and is, if anything, demonstrated by today's events.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by isostatic »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #629
antt wrote: post #513

And be prepared for the 180 degree turn in the liberal circles when the Republicans try to get him executed. With friends like the Democrats do progressives really need enemies?

According to the article, the crime for which he'd be extradited has a maximum penalty of five years in prison, not death.

If it did attract a death penalty he would be ineligible for extradition.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by antt »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #629
antt wrote: post #513

And be prepared for the 180 degree turn in the liberal circles when the Republicans try to get him executed. With friends like the Democrats do progressives really need enemies?

According to the article, the crime for which he'd be extradited has a maximum penalty of five years in prison, not death.

1 hours ago it was 1 year for skipping bail.

At the rate at which the maximum sentence is growing we should be seeing him hung and quartered by mid day tomorrow.

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