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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by akhilcacharya »

lowpro wrote: post #459
kmlx wrote: post #366

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wikileaks/Assange during the recent US presidential elections. that’s what did it for me. even now, knowing what we now about Russian interference, they still have the “Hillary Clinton email archive” proudly displayed on their homepage. also, there are those rape cases for which he ran away. shady stuff.

Even if Russia leaked the emails (not certain as the media would have you believe at all, not saying it’s conspiracy but It’s not conclusive), the information regarding massive corruption in the DNC was true, and that information being public is 1) good and 2) important.

This isn’t just the media saying it, it’s the entire crux of the Mueller investigation and their indictment of the GRU agents that attacked Americans.

It’s international Watergate.

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Post by J_cst »

ryanlol wrote: post #405
J_cst wrote: post #384

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Your latest sentence is really sad and in my opinion should be edited and removed.

Why? It refers to policies, not the nation. "death to the US's policies" simply doesn't sound very catchy.

The word "death" has a very well defined meaning and pairing it to America conveys a significance which I find disturbing. Moreover, the fact that you built the frase in such an ambiguous way, led me to think that you did it on purpose. In everybody's interest I politely invite you not to play this game, thank you

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Post by crdoconnor »

dragonwriter wrote: post #485
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #474

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is this the case also for foreign nationals (e.g. Australians)? and in combination with terror laws and agreements[1] between UK/US (not just civil/criminal law)? I think if he does a little bit of time for jumping UK bail then the second he walks out from a UK prison the CIA will be all over abducting his ass. And he'll never be heard off again. I recall Hillary Clinton wasn't ashamed of suggesting "Can't we drone t…

> is this the case also for foreign nationals (e.g. Australians)? and in combination with terror laws and agreements between UK/US (not just civil/criminal law)? Extradition is based on criminal law, even if the offense is terrorism; and, yes, it's a matter of human rights law without exception. (That is not to say they might not do a covert rendition rather than an extradition with death on the table, but the fact t…

She almost certainly did say "can't we just drone this guy?" as a joke about assange. She later issued a non-denial denial about the rumor.

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Post by scotchmi_st »

house9-2 wrote: post #535
scotchmi_st wrote: post #523

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The second statement doesn't follow from the first. He was both wanted for questioning in a rape investigation _and_ wanted for extradition to the US. You can both want him to face charges for rape, and also not want him to be extradited to the US. The lack of regard for a rape case against him (mostly by male commenters, it has to be said) is very troubling.

I think what you are saying is he should have been extradited to Sweden not the US? Apparently those charges were dropped? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_... > The investigation into the allegation of rape, as of 19 May 2017, has been dropped by Swedish authorities.

It wasn't dropped in the sense that the prosecutors dropped their charges. It was dropped in the sense that the case was put in a dormant state. It can be re-opened, until August 2020 I believe.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by ionised »

house9-2 wrote: post #535
scotchmi_st wrote: post #523

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The second statement doesn't follow from the first. He was both wanted for questioning in a rape investigation _and_ wanted for extradition to the US. You can both want him to face charges for rape, and also not want him to be extradited to the US. The lack of regard for a rape case against him (mostly by male commenters, it has to be said) is very troubling.

I think what you are saying is he should have been extradited to Sweden not the US? Apparently those charges were dropped? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_... > The investigation into the allegation of rape, as of 19 May 2017, has been dropped by Swedish authorities.

Not just that, but the original accuser dropped her charges long before the Swedish authorities gave up.

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Post by empath75 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #538
empath75 wrote: post #307

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I think the criminal argument is that he was acting as a cutout for Russian intelligence with the dnc leaks.

> I think the criminal argument is that he was acting as a cutout for Russian intelligence with the dnc leaks. That may be a (relatively new) criminal argument, but there is also Manning plus 18 USC §2(a): “Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission , is punishable as a principal.” (emphasis added) Plus probably all kinds of stuff in bet…

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charg... looks like its related to manning.

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Post by foldr »

rndgermandude wrote: post #539
foldr wrote: post #527

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Hmm? This just goes to show that the USA didn't need to manufacture rape allegations in Sweden just in order to get Assange extradited, since their best chance of doing so was to extradite him from the UK.

He was in Sweden at the time. The UK couldn't have extradited him from Sweden to the US. Not saying that the Swedish charges were all manufactured, just following your hypothesis.

Ok, you'll have to explain the plan to me.

How does having Assange accused of rape in Sweden help the US to extradite him?

Assange was traveling between lots of countries at the time. It's not as if he was permanently based in Sweden. And Assange being accused of a crime in Sweden does not in any way make it easier for the US to extradite him from Sweden on other charges.

edit: Also, the usual conspiracy story was that the CIA/the Illuminati/whoever had directed Sweden to reopen the rape case after Assange had arrived in the UK. (The case was dropped before he left Sweden, then reopened shortly after he arrived in the UK.)

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