Julian Assange arrested in London • Hacker News Board

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:22 AM UTC

sasasassy wrote: post #192

mcv wrote: post #132

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Yeah, I remember. A disgrace on several levels. I really wish a European country would have had the spine to give Snowden asylum. Not the same issue as Assange of course, unless, as Assange claims, this too is the long arm of the US secretly trying to get whistleblowers extradited. I'm not sure that's the case here, though; I think the Swedish rape allegations have merit, and unlike Snowden, I don't think Assange has…

The Swedish rape allegations were an obvious sham and have already been dropped years ago. Usually when this happens the case is just dropped, yet the UK really pressed in arresting Assange for "failing to appear in court", which is most countries is a minor thing (the accused is not punished for lying in court or missing court dates). I think it's obvious that any excuse will do for extraditing him to the US, to mak…

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by mothsonasloth » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:22 AM UTC

sorenjan wrote: post #256

mikeq101101 wrote: post #144

The comments here disgust me. People here used to have some principles, now there's so many people just repeating establishment talking points.

I don't know to what you're referring, but the facts of the matter are: 1. He was wanted for questioning for rape and sexual misconduct in Sweden. According to police records, he had sex with a woman who demanded that he wore a condom, which he did at first. Then next morning she wakes up by him penetrating her without consent. She then asks "are you wearing anything", to which he replies "I'm wearing you". The sexua…

They haven't promoted conspiracies like Pizzagate or Qanon, they just leaked Podesta's emails etc.

What conclusions people draw from those leaks is on them, not wikileaks.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by dmIequals » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:23 AM UTC

mcv wrote: post #132

antocv wrote: post #65

Do you guys remember when the airplane of president Morales, was forced down in Vienna when he was on a flight home? Breaking diplomatic immunity, hospitality etc. Just because CIA believed Assange was in that flight, that Morales would help him escape. EDIT: My mistake, that was for Snowden, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

Yeah, I remember. A disgrace on several levels. I really wish a European country would have had the spine to give Snowden asylum. Not the same issue as Assange of course, unless, as Assange claims, this too is the long arm of the US secretly trying to get whistleblowers extradited. I'm not sure that's the case here, though; I think the Swedish rape allegations have merit, and unlike Snowden, I don't think Assange has…

Agreed. Its just more proof, (as if we needed it) that the UK is just a little puppet for the US. The police standing outside that embassy were justified on the Swedish extradition request, which has since been withdrawn. All of a sudden now a US extradition request has appeared. We should all take responsibility for this frankly, in my opinion, atrocity this man is a part of our community, the hacker community, this is not only an attack on press freedoms, but the hacker community too.

We need to be more vigilent, more aware, stronger and never forget.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:23 AM UTC

and considering the public mood after a several year campaign to demonize Wikileaks and Assange by the US media, chances are pretty high that he will rot in a US prison for life or have his ashes thrown into the sea the same way as they did with Osama bin Laden. The US is a terror state that uses torture and secret prisons. I hope that EU countries will stop extradition asap.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by chatmasta » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:24 AM UTC

stupidthrottle wrote: post #155

tendencydriven wrote: post #115

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I'd massively disagree with the statement "You don't need to know more than that.", and I'd love to see some sources to back this up. Randomly spewing "facts" with no evidence to back up your claim can be quite damaging.

This was widely reported back when the case was hot. It’s not exactly news. https://www.rawstory.com/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ti...

> While in Cuba, Ardin worked with the Las damas de blanco (the Ladies in White), a feminist anti-Castro group.

Sure, it's possible she was working for CIA. But the story is that she was volunteering with wikileaks. Based on her background, does that sound unreasonable?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by samdoidge » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:24 AM UTC

hedwall wrote: post #199

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #16

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And what case would that be? The case in Sweden was dropped for example.

It wasn't dropped, the statute of limitations ran out because JA refused to be interviewed by the prosecutor and hid in an embassy.

No. He refused to leave the embassy for fear of extradition, but he invited prosecutors to interview him within the embassy.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by matt4077 » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:24 AM UTC

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #211

antocv wrote: post #65

Do you guys remember when the airplane of president Morales, was forced down in Vienna when he was on a flight home? Breaking diplomatic immunity, hospitality etc. Just because CIA believed Assange was in that flight, that Morales would help him escape. EDIT: My mistake, that was for Snowden, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

The bigger guns always win. They can talk about the UN and international law all they want but in the end people notice the gun on your belt, not the paper on the table. It's been that way since the dawn of times. They can do that to Bolivia but just try to force Air Force One to land...

US and UK military power has always dwarfed Ecuador's.

For seven years, Assange was protected by nothing but paper, so it does seem to have some heft.

I guess Assange obnoxiousness is more powerful than a US carrier group. The former finally got it done when the latter couldn't.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Udik » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:26 AM UTC

mikorym wrote: post #63

tramtrist wrote: post #23

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I also feel the same way. He may have committed some heinous crimes outside of the actual hacking/leaking but to say we all didn't benefit from what we learned regarding how our government spies on us would just be flat out wrong..

I found the Swedish rape case fishy. Are there any facts (going both ways) to speak of at all?

From what I understood, Sweden has a very extensive definition of "rape". Basically someone can go to the police and say "well, in hindsight I do feel a bit raped" and that is enough. Assange's accusers hosted him at their place, had consensual sex with him, and the day after they parted ways peacefully.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by antt » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:26 AM UTC

hardlianotion wrote: post #59

antt wrote: post #46

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And the crime was dropped. This reminds me of being arrested for resisting arrest.

Jumping bail is a crime in itself. Your situation is simply an oxymoron

Oh ye who haft not felt the truncheon or the tear gas.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by foldr » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:27 AM UTC

belorn wrote: post #267

foldr wrote: post #152

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The state can't be seen to wink at skipping bail, or everyone would be doing it. I don't think you need to look for any deeper explanation than that.

That is a nice sentiment but I would like see the police budget if they start to spend the same amount of resources on all bail skips. Everyone being equal within the eyes of the law. The police budget for the Assange case was about £3.5m per year. That is a lot of money which could be used in order to address other areas which the police is accused of turning a blind eye to.

Yes, because the Assange case was in the public eye. It's particularly important to uphold the law when everyone is looking.

If spending more resources for that reason conflicts with your ideals, then that's not a point I'm looking to argue here. My point is just that it doesn't take a conspiracy theory to explain why the UK was willing to spend this much money.

Consider for example all the money that the police spent looking for Madeline Mcann (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-madel...). Was she any more important than any other missing child? Not really. Was there a geopolitical motive? Obviously not. But hey, she was in the news.