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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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It's not sold any more since PSA bought them.

It's perfectly ok to buy a second hand vehicle.

Absolutely, but the raport was about new cars. In this cause I'd be cautious. The access to spare parts could be limited in the future.

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I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%. Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all case…

Goods are never advertised without taxes in Germany, so if it's 53k after taxes, that makes it a 53k car.

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What exactly is your point here? The E-class didn't get better. Its worth increased, and there is no guarantee that would continue for today's new models seeing as their depreciation (as with most luxury brand models) is pathetic.

> The E-class didn't get better. Its worth increased [...] This statement doesn't compute for me.

The actual car is the same. Tesla cars get upgrades and new features after purchase.

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I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

European prices are VAT and other taxes included. US reports prices without tax.

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accelerating really fast in a straight line is probably the most pointless aspect of "performance" for a car that gets driven on public roads. modern hot hatches that cost $25k are already too powerful to fully appreciate without getting your license taken away. a 230i or m240i is going to be much more fun to drive 10-15 mph over the speed limit than any Tesla. get one with a manual transmission while you still can.

You accelerate really fast in a straight line every time you pull out from a stop sign or red light. In fact if you are adhering to speed limits, accelerating really fast is the only way to save travel time.

Or arrive faster at the next red light.

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> The E-class didn't get better. Its worth increased [...] This statement doesn't compute for me.

The actual car is the same. Tesla cars get upgrades and new features after purchase.

Ok, but if the E Class worth went up, you can't really say that's a bad deal...

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Not performance. And your Merc E won't get better with time.

accelerating really fast in a straight line is probably the most pointless aspect of "performance" for a car that gets driven on public roads. modern hot hatches that cost $25k are already too powerful to fully appreciate without getting your license taken away. a 230i or m240i is going to be much more fun to drive 10-15 mph over the speed limit than any Tesla. get one with a manual transmission while you still can.

I drive a sports car on public roads. Straight, level, boring public roads with low speed limits. Straight line is basically the only thing that matters 90% of the time. For the other 10% of the time, the difference between a Tesla and the ICE equivalent still doesn't matter or possibly even favors the instant response of the electric drivetrain.

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Regular software updates that add significant new features. Dashcam, dog mode, sentry mode, summon, etc.

Cool, so it gets better the same way your 15 year old laptop gets better?

Yes... great isn't it! Not sure why cars haven't done this before.

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But Merc E is multiple classes above the Tesla in terms of space, interior quality and luxury/comfort.

Not performance. And your Merc E won't get better with time.

The base model 3 is only 0.5s faster to 60 than the base E class, and that gap doesn't widen by all that much as you go up both product lines.

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Not having a model in stock one month after announcing it is not a huge deal though. Time to delivery of a Chevrolet Bolt in Canada was over 6 months after launch :/

The $35k Model 3 was "announced" in 2016, over two years ago, with $1000 pre-order deposits taken at that time. https://www.engadget.com/2016/03/31/tesla-unveils-its-35-000... There were promises about how this car would arrive in 2017 back then. > The $35,000 (before federal tax credits) Model 3 sedan made its world debut at an event in Los Angeles. On stage, Elon Musk announced that the car will have at least 215 m…

Upselling is standard practice for car sales. I don't think barely anybody ever buys the base model of a car.
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