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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by wil421 »

gpjanik wrote: post #56

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%.

Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all cases.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by kayoone »

sweden wrote: post #85
gpjanik wrote: post #56

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Funnily enough, you could argue the same about the Mercedes E class. For the price of a Mercedes, you could get a Tesla. :-)

But Merc E is multiple classes above the Tesla in terms of space, interior quality and luxury/comfort.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by govg »

sailfast wrote: post #61
Reason077 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

I think the idea is that you use the superchargers as part of a meal stop that you would make with an ordinary car anyway. If you stop every X km with a regular car for breaks, and Tesla's network ensures you can always find a supercharger in these steps, you can stop, eat / refresh yourself and by the time you're done your car will be ready to make the next leg.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by OrgNet »

Why? Do they have to buy electric cars in Switzerland (aka: gasoline cars are banned)? Or maybe everyone just have that extra money to blow? Or maybe they get large incentives from the Government? In the US it would take something like 15 years to pay for the difference between a Honda Civic and a Tesla Model-3 (both cars are about the same size)

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by dmoy »

wutangson1 wrote: post #89
Ntrails wrote: post #67

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> You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic. That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. It's weird, I've never actually thought of changing gear as a hassle or something that makes driving un-fun. Stop and go traffic is a game, where the goal is to not brake. Gears give me an additional way to achieve that goal. For me it's way more engaging and helps me pay more attention to the roa…

"That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic" what in the lawerly language are you trying to say?

Driving stick in traffic really sucks by comparison to an automatic.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by matt4077 »

bluetidepro wrote: post #23
readhn wrote: post #20

i was flying through zurich recently. McDonalds big mac, fries and soda were $20 (!!!). Is everyone there pretty much a millionaire?

Does that comparison work in that context, though? I've seen a lot of traditionally "cheap US fast-food" be expensive overseas in many countries. I imagine because there is almost a tourist aspect to it, unlike when it's here in the US. Is there a Swiss version of what they consider cheap fast-food, and is that place still $20 for a basic meal?

McDonald's is used as a pretty good proxy for local prices and buying power around the globe. There's even the Big Mac Index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index).

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by natch »

sailfast wrote: post #61
Reason077 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

I drove from San Diego to SF in one of my many long trips and most of my charging stops were 10 minutes. I also had two 20 minute stops, one 30 minute, and one 15 minute. The 30 minute stop was near the end where I wanted to arrive home near half full.

Food, checking out local shops, and coffee + bathroom break for those three longer stops. For the short stops, it was just get a bit of charge, maybe a quick stretch or bathroom visit, and on my way.

People have the most bizarre misconceptions about Tesla charging, I think because they assume you have to charge from 0 to full at every stop, which truly would be slow. It simply doesn’t work that way if you do it properly.

I mean seriously... most of my stops were 10 minutes. Quite a contrast from what people think. Plugging in numbers from a map and going by total charge-to-full time overlooks the way charging is so much faster at the bottom of the range.

On the other hand taking a trip to New Mexico and back from California, many stops were 40 minutes to an hour because the chargers are spaced further apart in some of the desert states. YMMV. It depends on your route but the chargers are getting dramatically faster very soon, AND the charger network is getting more and more densely built out.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

Ma8ee wrote: post #66
sorenjan wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why buy a car you'll own and pay for the whole year based on the usage for a few weeks? Wouldn't it make more sense to rent a road trip car when you need it?

Yes! This is something that I have wondered for a long time. Why do people buy a car that covers all possible usecases for all year around instead of buying one that is ideal for daily use and then rent a bigger car for the week or two when you need it? It would be better for the wallet and for the environment.

Because there are many great cars that fit all those requirements and that are usually cheaper than a current Tesla, better equiped than a Tesla (autopilot being the single exception, even though BMW, Porsche, VW and many others already have lane assist which is basically a little worse (but still comparable) version of Tesla's autopilot). Why bother with renting when you can just take your own car?

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by matt4077 »

jacquesm wrote: post #43
readhn wrote: post #20

i was flying through zurich recently. McDonalds big mac, fries and soda were $20 (!!!). Is everyone there pretty much a millionaire?

No, the USD and the Euro have dropped tremendously relative to the Swiss Franc.

This doesn't strike me as a "tremendous drop". Or really much of any definitive change: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&ei=LAmuXO...
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