Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by dondawest » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 7:31 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #478

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Actually, there is something wrong with that: taking your eyes off the road while driving is the very definition of a distracted driver. Death and vomit are two things that Tesla cars create. Who cares about classiness, we’re anonymous screen names on the internet. Also, you still haven’t addressed or refuted my points regarding physical feedback and muscle memory, or regarding my challenge to any Tesla owner to turn…

Someone should sell a tactile dash overlay kit for people like you. I’m half serious... if done well, some silly people would buy it to overcome the perceived problems you think you see. Maybe it could also make “vroom, vroom” noises for people who feel that the absence of the feedback of engine noise poses a serious danger. I’ve talked to hundreds and hundreds of ICE car drivers and many of them think this is a seri…

>block off the rear view mirrors because they might distract from the road ahead... according to your line of thinking.

What? Not true. Looking at a rear view mirror is still a form of keeping your eyes on the road and thus is not distracted driving. Looking at an LED screen is, by default, distracted driving.

Renounce ur faith in Elon dude, ur faith will not be rewarded.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by brianpgordon » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 7:35 PM UTC

dexen wrote: post #329

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This seems like a view so charitable as to nearly strain credulity. Firstly, many of Tesla's problems are self-inflicted. How much time and capital was wasted on the alien dreadnought? How much damage has been caused by the constant turnover in management, or the whipsaw changes in price structure and product offerings, or the likely ill-fated decision to double down on computer vision rather than use LIDAR? One mist…

>Firstly, many of Tesla's problems are self-inflicted. Fair enough. There's always the alternative angle of, “Recently, I was asked if I was going to fire an employee who made a mistake that cost the company $600,000. “No”, I replied. “I just spent $600,000 training him – why would I want somebody to hire his experience?” [0] >Their competition actually does know how to build cars to spec That's the problem: the comp…

> That's the problem: the competitors are trying to "build a car, except with electric drivetrain".

The problem with Tesla is that they're trying to build an electric drivetrain and then tack on that pesky "rest of the car" on top of it as an afterthought. Everyone knows that Tesla has the best electric drivetrain out there, but they're still struggling to build cars in quantity to within quality standards and service them at scale.

With respect to PR stunts, of course Big Auto is corrupt and deceptive and generally awful. But they're not the ones riding high on a tsunami of feel-good save-the-planet PR. If Tesla wants their good boy points, they need to behave and earn them.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by dwighttk » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 3:07 PM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #174

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what's the rest of the estimated savings?

Estimated fuel savings from the 126mpge rating. See: https://teslanomics.co/tesla-model-3-fuel-savings-calculator...

as a person who drives 5K miles/yr and usually buys fuel in a state that isn't NY or CA, estimated fuel savings are always amusing.

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Post by notfromhere » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

dustindiamond wrote: post #264

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It's probably going to turn out that the guys who've been building cars for a century can figure out battery technology faster than the battery guys figuring out how to scale auto manufacturing

All the German car manufacturers have in terms of engineerig talent and cultural is mostly mechanical, and brilliantly so. But, the electronics suck. Some of the most talented chemical, physical materials and electrical engineers work for Musk’s companies. You can just tell that Tesla’s were not designed with teams in silos. I don’t think car makers are currently capable of that.

uhh, Germany has been the center of the chemicals industry since the late 19th century

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Post by jressey » Mon, Apr 08, 2019, 6:29 PM UTC

breakyerself wrote: post #419

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And then I would just shrug my shoulders and buy more index funds. Investing in individual companies, no matter what you think you know, is always unwise compared to index investing.

I have mostly index funds, but I bought a share of Tesla and a couple of other companies because I want them to succeed. Not because I expect them to. Its amazing what they've accomplished so far, but it's still a rocky road ahead

When you buy a share, you are not contributing to the company. Their shares were sold at IPO and they've already collected all the proceeds from them. You are just gambling.

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Post by jtx22 » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:48 PM UTC

JshWright wrote: post #117

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If you believe solar and electric cars are the future, its a good time to buy.

There are _way_ more factors than that. Not the least of which being "do you believe Tesla is the company that is able to deliver those effectively?". All signs currently point to "No".

You should definitely short the stock.

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Post by jtx22 » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:48 PM UTC

brohee wrote: post #120

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If you believe solar and electric cars are the future, its a good time to buy.

You can totally believe that, and have no faith in Tesla itself. On the high end side I don't see how they will counter the like of Audi, Jaguar, Porsche and Polestar, which come with actually well made cars, a service network that works and actual prestige. On the low end Korean and Chinese brands should slash prices...

Indeed. You should definitely short the stock.

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Post by breakyerself » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 8:17 AM UTC

jressey wrote: post #485

breakyerself wrote: post #419

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I have mostly index funds, but I bought a share of Tesla and a couple of other companies because I want them to succeed. Not because I expect them to. Its amazing what they've accomplished so far, but it's still a rocky road ahead

When you buy a share, you are not contributing to the company. Their shares were sold at IPO and they've already collected all the proceeds from them. You are just gambling.

It does help them a little. If their market cap is higher it's cheaper for them to raise capital. It's also kind of a moral support thing. I bought a second share since I posted that. I am also gambling, but it's like .01% or less of my retirement so I don't think I'm being too risky.

I also bought a model 3. Which actually does help them a little. They need sales more than they need people to buy shares on the secondary market. That's not why I bought it though. I bought it because it was the first BEV with a useful range I could afford.