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Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by scyber »

stevenjohns wrote: post #8
matchbok wrote: post #2

Sort of makes sense. Android is generally a mess and hasn't really added much of value over the last 4 years. Whereas iOS has had huge yearly updates with actual features. Plus, iMessage is a huge draw. Android has what, 5 messaging apps?

I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. It can't be /that/ hard to figure out if the person on the other side is using an Android with a compatible Messaging app version and then switch over to an internet-handled chat.

Google could create the greatest messaging app on the planet, but the carriers have more control on Android. They would just not install it on their phones by default. Which means it would not get the traction needed to succeed. Heck most US carriers don't even install one of googles current messaging apps, they install their own customized one.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by scyber »

mike00632 wrote: post #93
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has nothing to do with why Apple owners prefer blue bubbles. It’s because SMS is unreliable and restrictive. You can’t share files, some carriers truncate messages and send them as multiple messages, media formats are limited, group chats don’t work right, typing indicator doesn’t work, read receipts don’t work, etc. Green bubble does not mean lower status, it means a significantly degraded experience. Some kids…

Isn't there a clear solution in just using a non-sms app available to both Android and iPhone, like Messenger or WhatsApp?

from an iphone users perspective there is no problem that requires a solution. Since iMessage is installed by the default, and there is no need for another app. And with iOS being pretty dominant in the US, no other app is going to get the traction it needs on iOS to be a successful cross platform communications.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by coolreader18 »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #118
coolreader18 wrote: post #102

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An Android (Moto Z3), which I chose because I preferred it to an iPhone, and, more recently, because Android is slightly more open-source than iOS.

Thought so. And that’s why I would not give your opinion any weight.

Could you elaborate?

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by tmm84 »

yufeng66 wrote: post #120
neapolisbeach wrote: post #116

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As a current student this is a huge part of it. People with androids (green messages) will not be added to group chats because it turns everyone else's messages green. When making plans they will usually get texted individually but it can unintentionally lead to exclusion. Texting someone with an android is much less convenient than using an iPhone and anecdotally this is one reason kids choose iPhones over Android.

As a parent of teenager, it’s exactly that. Android phone messes up the iMessage group chat. So kids with Android phone tend to get excluded. Apple is obviously in no hurry to fixed issue. iMessage turn out to be the stickiest social network for the next generation.

Apple can fix it but there is nothing stopping Android from implementing something that'll make things not change color.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

coolreader18 wrote: post #123
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought so. And that’s why I would not give your opinion any weight.

Could you elaborate?

You are speaking about other people’s choices and assuming you know what went in to their decision. If you had written the same thing but said you had an iphone, and that is why you bought it, that would have at least a little more weight. I would have the same issue asking an iphone owner for their thoughts on why people buy android.

Nearly all owners of brand X believe it has a more favorable value proposition than brand Y. Instead of concluding that they value different things, they often assume that the majority of owners of Y products must be buying on something other than value. When someone says people only buy Apple products to look cool, that’s what they are doing.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

mcphage wrote: post #117
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #52

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Does anyone consider the possibility that she prefers the overall iphone experience, and is not choosing it to be cool? Or are you all Android owners who don’t realize that people who prefer Apple products tend to actually like them?

> Does anyone consider the possibility that she prefers the overall iphone experience, and is not choosing it to be cool? Does she have experience with both platforms, to be able to prefer one over the other?

Probably, but you don’t even necessarily need to have experience with both. It’s perfectly reasonable to prefer something that is familiar or compatible.

One need look no further than asking lifelong Windows owners if they would be happy with their next computer being a Mac. They’ll likely tell you hell no, whether they have used one before or not.

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by mandelbrotwurst »

tmm84 wrote: post #124
yufeng66 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a parent of teenager, it’s exactly that. Android phone messes up the iMessage group chat. So kids with Android phone tend to get excluded. Apple is obviously in no hurry to fixed issue. iMessage turn out to be the stickiest social network for the next generation.

Apple can fix it but there is nothing stopping Android from implementing something that'll make things not change color.

How would they do this? iOS controls the colors on iOS, no?

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by khaki54 »

mcphage wrote: post #117
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone consider the possibility that she prefers the overall iphone experience, and is not choosing it to be cool? Or are you all Android owners who don’t realize that people who prefer Apple products tend to actually like them?

> Does anyone consider the possibility that she prefers the overall iphone experience, and is not choosing it to be cool? Does she have experience with both platforms, to be able to prefer one over the other?

Ding ding. She doesn't, I think it's a status / inclusion thing, but I'm sympathetic to that as well. I grew up poor

Re: Survey: 83% of US teens have an iPhone, Android 9%

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Post by mike00632 »

scyber wrote: post #122
mike00632 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't there a clear solution in just using a non-sms app available to both Android and iPhone, like Messenger or WhatsApp?

from an iphone users perspective there is no problem that requires a solution. Since iMessage is installed by the default, and there is no need for another app. And with iOS being pretty dominant in the US, no other app is going to get the traction it needs on iOS to be a successful cross platform communications.

Looks like Android has about 45% of the market in the United States. I actually thought it was higher.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-stat...

I think the incompatibility is a bigger deal than you think it is. There is a need for a proper messaging app.

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