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Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Nah , just backup and then wipe all your devices and then restore them after customs. (Kevin mitnick does this).

Or, perhaps he says that but has two passwords, one that decrypts and runs an OS and one that presents as if no OS is installed?

They can seize your stuff so your workaround won’t work when they pass it to their tech team for forensics. Also, if they find something now they have you lying to customs.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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> Any device that you lose physical control of during these encounters must be presumed to be compromised and should be physically destroyed afterwards. Seems unwise to destroy evidence. Find the rootkit, or have your employer or security researcher do so, prove it's existence, and sue the Government. But yes, definitely get a new laptop.

I don't think that will go anywhere. How do you prove the government did it and that it wasn't on there before the encounter?

Why do you need proof? Show it to the internet, there should be other examples too.

It's way easier and less legally ambiguous to make people THINK you are rooting their devices than to actually do it and leave actual evidence to be found. They could even be looking for OTHER rootkits instead of installing them.

I suspect there's a lot of availability bias going on here as well - how many travelers go through the US per year versus how many of them are famous ex-CTOs that get reposted on HN?

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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This assumes that he was not picked by random but instead there is some sort of list of people to check at airports that you can be put on because of your work within IT-security. That would be a big story if that is the case. I will offer a counter-narrative which is more in line with my own experience (from other places than the US): The people who work at border control in particular in airports are bored. They ar…

well, one CBP officer almost sent me to secondary checks because i had two US entry stamps within a week and a half of each other. why? because i went to europe from my own country and both flights (to and from) had layovers in the US.

she said it was absolutely not common (which i doubt very much) and she was concerned i was coming and going because i want to stay (?!?!?!).

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#304

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> Any device that you lose physical control of during these encounters must be presumed to be compromised and should be physically destroyed afterwards. Seems unwise to destroy evidence. Find the rootkit, or have your employer or security researcher do so, prove it's existence, and sue the Government. But yes, definitely get a new laptop.

I don't think that will go anywhere. How do you prove the government did it and that it wasn't on there before the encounter?

image the device prior and after; compare images

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Canada is not exactly welcoming to visitor. Particularly visitors that may have a mark on their background check from any number of years ago. Good luck getting in at all -- its becoming a common mention in hip hop lyrics even.

Americans who have concealed carry permits on their person when entering Canada will have their vehicle searched with a fine toothed comb.

That’s actually pretty reasonable. I don’t think anyone reasonable thinks Canada doesn’t have the right to enforce their firearm laws at their border.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#306
speaking as an american, even on domestic flights it doesnt get any easier. I was once detained 45 minutes by the TSA for a laptop with a missing DVD drive. i bought it without the drive from a pawn shop to learn Arch linux on, and kept it because it was fast. I refused to unlock it.

since the RealID act was passed, and im too lazy to wait at the DMV for a compliant license, I just take my passport with me for ID on domestic flights. This once cost me 30 minutes with the TSA, again, explaining why I was using a passport for a domestic flight. I refused search, refused to cooperate, and was let on the plane.

security theater was fun 15 years ago but this shit show has gotten a little old. the oxycodone epidemic kills more americans than terrorism. Hell, lightning kills more americans than Al Qaeda.

shoes and belts off, shuffling through the checkpoints like juden at dachau, is degrading.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Quick reminder: US citizens have an absolute right to reenter the country. Customs can temporarily detain you, but they cannot refuse entry. Any threat, whether implied or stated, that they will hold you until you unlock your device is not real. They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route, but never unlock your device based on the idea that it’s the only way to go free. Non-c…

> Customs can temporarily detain you, but they cannot refuse entry Legal / Official Source please.

Nguyen v. I.N.S. stated that citizens are entitled “to the absolute right to enter its borders....” Some more info and references to cases here: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/home.pdf

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Quick reminder: US citizens have an absolute right to reenter the country. Customs can temporarily detain you, but they cannot refuse entry. Any threat, whether implied or stated, that they will hold you until you unlock your device is not real. They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route, but never unlock your device based on the idea that it’s the only way to go free. Non-c…

I am a US citizen. For many years I tried exercising this right while remaining silent. I’ve been kicked out of a border control point in northern Vermont in February in a snowstorm after a four hour interrogation. (They sent the bus without me.) I’ve been arrested and locked in a room for twelve hours with no food or water or medication. I’ve been endlessly harassed and interrogated on other entries even when not ex…

What line of work are you in that makes this such a issue for you when you travel?

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#309
If most people told their boss exactly what they thought, they'd get a much worse punishment than a few measly hours of interrogation... At least this guy can go cry in his Mercedes Benz afterwards. It may not be fair but it's not a problem that deserves news coverage IMO. I bet that much worse things have happened today which deserve more attention.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#310

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Quick reminder: Non US citizens only go to conferences outside the US. There is no excuse we should put up with this. Canada and EU are much better locations for this reason alone.

In the past several years, I’ve entered 6 countries as a US citizen. Only Canada has demanded access to my phone.

What are they even trying to find on your phone?
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