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Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#141

So really, "Apple employee gets mildly harassed at airport because of proprietary confidentially agreements" with "A terrible, terrible tragedy, non US-citizen travellers agree" as a byline. The main thing of interest here would be that maybe Mozilla should employ better hiring practices.

Care to explain what you are trying to say?

As you phrased your comment, it is entirely opaque to me what you intend to convey.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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post #117

This assumes that he was not picked by random but instead there is some sort of list of people to check at airports that you can be put on because of your work within IT-security. That would be a big story if that is the case. I will offer a counter-narrative which is more in line with my own experience (from other places than the US): The people who work at border control in particular in airports are bored. They ar…

They're likely not stupid enough to have a "list". They have a set of factors and probably tally up some sort of score and search everyone above X. It just so happens that anyone they wanted to put on the list will score X or above. Doing IT security probably gets you a pretty high score just by itself. Add in the fact that he was originally from Eastern Europe and there you are.

I will definitely agree bored cops looking for stuff to do cause a lot of problems.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#143

The message it sends to me is, never visit America. I appreciate horrible things likely happen in my own country, but this is just disgusting.

That's my take as well and has been for a while. Even if I'm not of a segment of people that gets selected for "random searches" I don't trust them to believe I have no facebook account etc when they ask for the password.

The risk of travelling there is simply too high now.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#144
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep data off your devices during travel, and download it once you're safe. If corporate, require external activation by someone from the company before the contents of your device are restored. That way you cannot be forced to divulge any company trade secrets, because you simply don't have access to them while you're crossing the border.

Some companies issue "China" Laptops to their executives that they must discard after visiting China. Now I believe we all need throw away laptops and cell phones and Facebook accounts for any sort of international travel.

The last company I worked for (quasi-government) would issue special temporary laptops and blackberries for international travel. You were not allowed to take company devices outside the US. At one point they brought someone in from the CIA to basically scare us with stories of how your devices will be targeted at the border, or even by someone breaking into your room when you are not there.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#145
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would worry the resources of the US government may extend to spare batteries

Forcing you to unlock a laptop or phone that doesnt have a battery would fall under a different legal precedent.

A forensic search would require reasonable suspicion. I'm not aware of any legal weight attached to batteries - what's the legal precedent you're thinking of?

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route CBP do need reasonable suspicion to hold you belongings or do a forensic search of your computer (Cotterman 2013) - they can't just randomly take things on a whim. The longer they hold it, the higher standard required.

Does refusing to unlock your devices trigger a reasonable suspicion? (In Cotterman , it sounds like the Ninth Circuit said reasonable suspicion was required, but also decided on its own - despite it not being argued by the government - that an alert from a CBP database about Cotterman's previous conviction justified a search. Which seems reasonable to me, as a layperson, I thin.)

Officers need articulable facts for reasonable suspicion. Not consenting to a search is explicitly not grounds for reasonable suspicion here or in any other context

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#148
post #14

Quick reminder: US citizens have an absolute right to reenter the country. Customs can temporarily detain you, but they cannot refuse entry. Any threat, whether implied or stated, that they will hold you until you unlock your device is not real. They can hold your stuff indefinitely, so be prepared to lose it if you go this route, but never unlock your device based on the idea that it’s the only way to go free. Non-c…

>Any threat, whether implied or stated, that they will hold you until you unlock your device is not real

Except the threat to put you on a "mess up with every time they fly" list.

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

#149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, prefer to avoid bringing your own devices with you when you fly. Leave your laptop and smartphone at home, and rent temporary ones after you cross.

How do you find a rented laptop trustworthy?

Why wouldn't a rented laptop be trustworthy?

Re: Ex-Mozilla CTO: I was grilled for three hours at US airport by border cops

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> America is awesome, I appreciate and know how lucky we are to be here. In which regard? Compared to which place?

We lead the world in R&D, we aren't in a surveillance state like China (~1.3B people), we aren't undeveloped, we have the US dollar - the commanding world currency. We develop the best military technology, space technology, most all technology. We issue the most patents, by far. We (as people) have more rights than most all other nations and we led many other rights to attain rights for their own citizens. We protect…

You are a total joke dude. Go to reddit or 4chan for this kind of shitpost, we don't need it here.
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