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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by Ajedi32 » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

mwcampbell wrote: post #116

jgrahamc wrote: post #69

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I disagree with this statement. We haven't pushed incompatible standards or any other nonsense. We've literally pushed out the latest standards and enabled more encryption (see Universal SSL making SSL free years before Let's Encrypt; see enabling IPv6; enabling HTTP/2; etc. etc.). As for HTTP/3... so will we. See: https://blog.cloudflare.com/http-3-from-root-to-tip/ , https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-road-to-quic/ an…

Fair point. I especially appreciate that even Workers is based on a W3C standard, when it could have been a proprietary API. However, Cloudflare has also adopted and promoted at least one standard that adds complexity for dubious benefit, specifically DNSSEC, which tptacek has repeatedly criticized (e.g. [1]). Moreover, Cloudflare is encouraging both providers and consumers to bypass the public Internet as much as po…

> DNSSEC, which tptacek has repeatedly criticized

FWIW, tptacek's argument in that thread seems to be premised on certificate pinning being widely deployed[1], which it's not, and it seems at this point like it never will be[2].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10553608

[2]: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-d...

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by alex_duf » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #465

eximius wrote: post #295

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I mean, for DIY you only need one because you're only one user . Pick a VPS host with a data center near you... done.

If you’re traveling a lot, which is often the use case for a VPN, this immediately becomes annoying.

or a feature

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by gaia » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 4:49 PM UTC

@eastdakota, I have 1.1.1.1 at router level but when I installed the app it told me I wasn't using 1.1.1.1.

Is this by design or there is possibly something wrong with my router's DNS setup?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by vxNsr » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 5:46 PM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #274

jgrahamc wrote: post #259

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Nope. We want you to use our VPN because we think it'll make your mobile Internet experience better (faster and more secure). That turns into an upsell opportunity to us and makes our core service (which people pay us for) more valuable.

Damn. Cloudflare's super nice customer-centric stance on this product is killing me. I quit my FAANG job just this past month to build something similar.

OT: What's going on in your profile? is this some sorta custom way to follow other user's posts?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by cmurf » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 5:47 PM UTC

Very interesting. I've got environments where I have no control over how DNS is assigned, so I've wanted to set my phone to point to 1.1.1.1 but that also means I must have a static IP (it's DHCP or static, I can't only change DNS), but when I use static I run into a significant battery drain.[1] Using an app to work around that is a bit of a heavy hammer, but I'm gonna give it a shot.

https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/112927337#comment45

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by megatraveller » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 9:19 PM UTC

This is already some news for me, waiting for the desktop information on this.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by canada_dry » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 11:11 PM UTC

jumelles wrote: post #378

canada_dry wrote: post #225

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> exceptionally well-written product announcement Yup... a rare beast these days. My niece is a gifted writer - one of less than a half dozen that I personally know. She graduated recently and had her pick of several positions due to her portfolio of work.

> had her pick of several positions due to her portfolio of work Aside from previous job experience, what sort of things are in a portfolio like this?

She did freelance work while getting her degree (mostly friends/family small business promos, article, press-releases) and received a ton of positive feedback that she was able to use.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by tptacek » Wed, Apr 03, 2019, 2:11 AM UTC

Ajedi32 wrote: post #481

mwcampbell wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point. I especially appreciate that even Workers is based on a W3C standard, when it could have been a proprietary API. However, Cloudflare has also adopted and promoted at least one standard that adds complexity for dubious benefit, specifically DNSSEC, which tptacek has repeatedly criticized (e.g. [1]). Moreover, Cloudflare is encouraging both providers and consumers to bypass the public Internet as much as po…

> DNSSEC, which tptacek has repeatedly criticized FWIW, tptacek's argument in that thread seems to be premised on certificate pinning being widely deployed[1], which it's not, and it seems at this point like it never will be[2]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10553608 [2]: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-d...

No. I like pinning (which is widespread outside of browser applications) and certainly it's better than DNSSEC, but my argument holds together just fine without it.

It hardly matters at this point, though. DNSSEC is a dead letter. It's over. Stick a fork in it. It'll be around indefinitely for performative nerds to performatively noodle with --- lots of dead IETF protocols are! --- but Cloud Flare is likely to be the largest company ever to use it (and they're the exception that proves the rule, since they sell DNSSEC services).

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by jaimex2 » Wed, Apr 03, 2019, 11:57 AM UTC

As a content filter for schools should we be blocking 1.1.1.1 going forward?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by acdha » Wed, Apr 03, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

topranks wrote: post #383

adamch wrote: post #194

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"big in the CDN market" is very different to "has enough pull to significantly centralize the internet like Google or Amazon".

CDNs are literally the other thing (aside from Public Cloud providers) that are centralizing the internet. You statement is the exact opposite of reality.

That’s a very harsh dismissal and I don’t think it holds up well because it ignores the difficulty of switching. You can switch CDNs quickly, without needing any user actions, whereas it’s considerably more work to switch cloud providers and even harder to get users to switch their usage.