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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by stronglikedan »

rmorey wrote: post #277
ignoramous wrote: post #252

There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…

Please still build this product!

Indeed. A little healthy competition leads to better products all around.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by eastdakota »

ignoramous wrote: post #252

There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…

Email me: matthewatcloudflaredotcom. Perhaps you and your cofounder can help build your vision within Cloudflare? I'd love to chat.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by ignoramous »

kylec wrote: post #286
ignoramous wrote: post #252

There goes me and my co-founder's plan of disrupting the Mobile VPN market. Or may be, we still have a chance? Anywho, congratulations Cloudflare! I long held an opinion that the VPN market was ripe for disruption when I looked at privacy policy of some of the top players. Having analysed the market, I find that its defragmented with no clear run-away winner. I hope you're able to make a headway with all the interest…

My biggest concern with any VPN is: do I trust you? I’ve been reluctant to sign up with any of these VPN services that seem to be advertising everywhere nowadays because I don’t know what they’ll do with my internet traffic. The CloudFlare VPN is interesting to me because they’re a large, established company with a good reputation, so I trust them more than TunnelBear or ExpressVPN or PIA or whoever’s sponsoring YouT…

We thought about the trust aspect of it (we have gone through numerous VPN related threads here on news.yc and r/privacy and this has been one of the top concerns). Here's how we plan to convince folks (in our own naive way) we mean business (do serveral or all among):

1. OpenSource vpn server and client, with ability to Cloud-SSH to the server and view what's running.

2. Hands-off, one-click, spin up VPN servers on a VPS of your choice under your control, Streistand/Algo style [0][1], but find a way to provide support (think AWS marketplace).

3. Make privacy-centric commitment legally binding as part of EULA/ToS (is this sufficient?).

4. Run client-side only VPN (like intra, blockada, netguard). The idea is you're still able to analyse traffic and add blacklists client-side, without having to pay for or run a VPN server.

Thoughts?

[0] https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

[1] https://github.com/trailofbits/algo

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Post by eximius »

kentonv wrote: post #264
arendtio wrote: post #85

> We built Warp around WireGuard So basically Cloudflare created an app with Cloudflare branding and set up a Wireguard server for everyone. No bad, but just check out the original: https://www.wireguard.com While I am not a big fan of VPNs in general, I have to admit, that Wireguard performs exceptionally well. I tested it a week ago and the added latency is pretty much just the network latency and the bandwidth los…

> So basically Cloudflare created an app with Cloudflare branding and set up a Wireguard server for everyone. Not just one -- servers in 175 (and growing) locations spread around the world, and the app will always use the closest one to you. That's arguably a lot more important that what protocol it uses, and is not something you could easily DIY.

I mean, for DIY you only need one because you're only one user. Pick a VPS host with a data center near you... done.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by otterley »

The claim that ordinary IPSec-based VPN clients (which typically use the OS kernel's IPSec facilities) "drain your battery" more than any other VPN implementation seems specious to me. Does CloudFlare have any data to support this claim?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by eximius »

dboreham wrote: post #198
atonse wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ISP might be doing it knowing you're connecting to Netflix. But if you do a VPN, they don't know those specific packets are going to Netflix, so they can't shape the packets.

They certainly can shape any traffic you cause to transit their network. What you mean is they can't selectively shape that traffic. But then why would they want to do that?

If they can degrade your traffic from 1080p to 720p without a customer complaining, then they don't need to expand their network to support more users which increases their profit margins.

In short, because they can and they're assholes.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by eximius »

walterbell wrote: post #132
obenn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is precisely my setup, and I couldn't be happier. I have a lot of internal infrastructure including pi-hole, confluence and a number of self-hosted services. WireGuard lets me go anywhere on my laptop and its like I never left home, and I just keep two configurations for when I want to forward only internal IP addresses, or all my traffic.

Any pointers on setup instructions for WireGuard split tunneling on iOS?

Instructions for wireguard in general:

https://www.ckn.io/blog/2017/11/14/wireguard-vpn-typical-set...

Then you'd just need to use the iOS app, I hope?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

mysterypie wrote: post #203

Just as an aside, I thought that was an exceptionally well-written product announcement, or press release, or whatever you'd call it. It was long, but I didn't mind reading the whole thing. It answered all the basic questions about why I should use it, how they plan to make money, and with enough technical detail that I understood essentially how it works. It was very much the opposite of the marketing material you g…

Overall I'd agree, though they nearly lost me at the start:

> on “April Fools” a handful of elite tech companies decide to waste the time of literally billions of people with juvenile jokes that only they find funny.

Bah Humbug much?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by eximius »

gpm wrote: post #27

I currently use DNS66 for ad blocking on android without root. Is there a way to do something similar while using this app? Alternatively, I have a Xperia XA1 running a June 5, 2017 security patch. It's been my intent for a long time now to figure out how to get root without unlocking the boot loader the sony approved way (which makes the camera less functional). Anyone have any pointers on easy to exploit privilege…

Setup your own wireguard instance on a throwaway VPS, then use the android app with the DNS setting turned on:

https://www.ckn.io/blog/2017/11/14/wireguard-vpn-typical-set...

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