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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#61

Post by mwcampbell »

It seems to me that in practice, Cloudflare's mission is not actually to build a better Internet, but to offer an alternative, proprietary network (one could call it the CloudflareNet), and convince content providers and consumers to use that network. Because I don't want any single company to have too much power, I'll stick with the standard Internet, which is not owned by any single company.

However, I realize that the problems with mobile Internet performance and reliability are real. So when HTTP/3 is stable, I'll do what I can to help it spread.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#62

Post by arghwhat »

sascha_sl wrote: post #51
jgrahamc wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do not currently plan to allow third-party WireGuard clients to connect to the service.

It it just me or does it sound wrong to call wireguard, the kernel module, third party software in this context? That's literally the reference implementation.

It is wrong. Warp is the third-party implementation.

It would be amazing if it could be made to work from standard wireguard, but I suppose there's a chance that if desktop versions arrive, you'll be able to extract the keys.

The only thing stopping that would be if Cloudflare broke the protocol.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#64

Post by kentonv »

aroch wrote: post #19
ChrisSD wrote: post #12

Last time I used 1.1.1.1 DNS I sometimes had problems when visiting bbc.co.uk. It seemed to be trying to look up the domain on cloudflare's service for some reason. Was I the only one to have this problem? Would it be fixed now?

1.1.1.1 doesn't use eDNS and likely never will: https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/nitty-gritty-detai... So geo-specific things will break... BBC.com should load though since its for out-of-UK people

Site should load just fine without eDNS -- even "geo-specific" ones. They will just route you as if you came from your local Cloudflare PoP rather than your home IP; usually not a big difference since Cloudflare is in so many locations.

I'm not having any trouble with bbc.co.uk on 1.1.1.1, maybe it was a temporary hiccup.

(Disclosure: I work for Cloudflare but not on this product.)

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#65

Post by JustSomeNobody »

ikeboy wrote: post #55

There's a lot of dissing of competition (they drain your battery, "all suck", slow down your internet) without a single datapoint. Personally I find the performance of PIA fine. I just ran a test through fast.com and got 42 mbps on 4g through PIA mobile VPN in NYC. (Weirdly, when I turn off the VPN and test I'm only getting around 2 Mbps.) Latency is a bit higher than direct, but not enough for me to agree with their…

Fast.com is through Netflix, so your carrier is probably throttling. Try a different speed test with no VPN to confirm.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#66

Post by fooqux »

onychomys wrote: post #23
dispat0r wrote: post #6

Support for Linux would be nice.

Are there any linux phones? I thought everybody was either on OS or some flavor of Android (....plus some WindowsPhone holdouts, I suppose). Android is vaguely based on the linux kernal, but nobody would really count that.

> Are there any linux phones?

Well, there's at least two coming out this year. I can understand them wanting to handle the 99% of use cases first, but as I understand it they won't allow normal Wiregaurd clients to connect which is sad but entirely their call.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#67

Post by arghwhat »

jgrahamc wrote: post #47
hsivonen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the service be used with another Wireguard client (hopefully bundled into Linux distros in the future) without installing Cloudflare’s client software?

We do not currently plan to allow third-party WireGuard clients to connect to the service.

Asked differently, do you plan on explicitly disallowing/banning it if people unofficially ran the reference implementation against Warp?

It would be nice to know the policy there. For those of us that do know what a VPN is, and are okay not having access to support, getting things to work without a desktop app would be nice.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#68

Post by zamadatix »

fooqux wrote: post #49

> 1. We don't write user-identifiable log data to disk; That's great... but you do log user-identifiable info? How I read that is "we log things that can identify you but just keep it in memory for X amount of time". Myself and other privacy-minded folks would like to know more details there, especially as this is a freemium service.

Hard not to have user identifiable info at least in memory for a network session.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#69

Post by jgrahamc »

mwcampbell wrote: post #61

It seems to me that in practice, Cloudflare's mission is not actually to build a better Internet, but to offer an alternative, proprietary network (one could call it the CloudflareNet), and convince content providers and consumers to use that network. Because I don't want any single company to have too much power, I'll stick with the standard Internet, which is not owned by any single company. However, I realize that…

I disagree with this statement. We haven't pushed incompatible standards or any other nonsense. We've literally pushed out the latest standards and enabled more encryption (see Universal SSL making SSL free years before Let's Encrypt; see enabling IPv6; enabling HTTP/2; etc. etc.).

As for HTTP/3... so will we. See: https://blog.cloudflare.com/http-3-from-root-to-tip/, https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-road-to-quic/ and https://blog.cloudflare.com/head-start-with-quic/.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#70

Post by gok »

This sounds super cool. Any chance more of the client will be open sourced? (I presume this uses the recently-released Rust WireGuard core?)
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