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China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by vfulco2 »

yumraj wrote: post #49
simonh wrote: post #8

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I really do appreciate the sentiment, but with an authoritarian regime like this there's isn't an awful lot other nations can practically do that would actually make a difference. Just look at North Korea, it's under total economic lock-down but still continues along on it's brutally oppressive way. It's not that I'm happy about it, any suggestions welcome.

While it is true the economic sanctions didn't work in NK and Iran, similar conditions worked in former-USSR and they can and will work in China for a simple reason: Folks in NK never experienced economic propsperity and were brainwashed from day one, people in China are experiencing economic bounty and as such are at the moment willing to overlook their government. The day this economic progress slows down, the mass…

Based on my macro models, I believe growth has been zero for last 12 months.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by jplayer01 »

FabHK wrote: post #63

By the way, great to see the Hong Kong Free Press on the HN front page. It's an independent, non-profit newspaper financed primarily by reader donations. Hong Kong has basically only 3 English-language newspapers left: South China Morning Post ([1], since 1903, but now owned by the mainland Alibaba group), The Standard ([2], free, ad-financed), and HKFP. Given the encroaching Chinese influence on HK (contra the Sino-…

Uh, wait. What happens in 2047? Is HK screwed then?

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by Causality1 »

amyjess wrote: post #58
ElBarto wrote: post #12

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You should be careful about the terms you use. Some terms should not be overused because overuse trivialises.

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It's an unpopular opinion on HN because holding China accountable would threaten their bottom line. IBM was happy to sell Nazi Germany punch card tabulators and alphabetized even after the opening of the camps. China could burn Taiwan to the ground tomorrow and 3/4 of HN would still downvote anyone who suggests there might be more important things than making as much money as you possibly can.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by ElBarto »

amyjess wrote: post #58
ElBarto wrote: post #12

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You should be careful about the terms you use. Some terms should not be overused because overuse trivialises.

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I'm gobsmacked that you do not know what the holocaust was, then.

China is not trying (and never has) to physically and systematically eradicate an entire ethnicity, nor are they trying to drive them out through ethnic cleansing. In fact under the 'one child policy' ethnic minorities have the right to have more children than ethnic Han.

I urge people to really learn history and to make appropriate comparisons.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by FabHK »

jplayer01 wrote: post #112
FabHK wrote: post #63

By the way, great to see the Hong Kong Free Press on the HN front page. It's an independent, non-profit newspaper financed primarily by reader donations. Hong Kong has basically only 3 English-language newspapers left: South China Morning Post ([1], since 1903, but now owned by the mainland Alibaba group), The Standard ([2], free, ad-financed), and HKFP. Given the encroaching Chinese influence on HK (contra the Sino-…

Uh, wait. What happens in 2047? Is HK screwed then?

It reverts wholly to China, and becomes a Chinese city like any other. No more separate economic system, political system, currency, immigration, press, etc.

But China is basically pre-empting that by gradually tightening the screws already. One of the factors (together with massive inequality and diminishing economic opportunities) leading to the 2014 umbrella protests.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by dang »

abc-xyz wrote: post #105
dang wrote: post #100

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It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political, national, and ideological battle. That crosses into breaking the site guidelines and we ban accounts that do it, so would you please stop doing it? If you want to understand why we draw the line at "primarily", I've written a lot about it in the past: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

If you feel that way then you better ban me because I know I'll continue to "primarily" advocate digital privacy, and condemn those who seek(/contribute) to turn the world into a surveillance dystopia.

Those are fine goals, but fine goals aren't enough to prevent HN from burning itself down. Indeed, they're potent fuel for that, if people don't care about the purpose of this site or take care to protect it from becoming like the rest of the flaming internet. It's my job to prevent the latter from happening, even though I'm sure I agree with your goals.

The loss of a community on the internet where people gather for intellectual curiosity would make the world a little more dystopian too. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site to heart?

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by mirimir »

scruple wrote: post #108
mirimir wrote: post #107

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On the scale of what the US does about those who trade with Iran, say, what China is doing is nothing .

Trying to sweep human rights violations, to put it as mildly as humanly possible, under the rug, using threats by your own admission, is nothing? Why is your default position here whataboutism?

OK, not Iran. The trade embargo on Iraq, which killed many thousands through starvation. How is that not a human-rights violation?

And the thing here is that this is about how China is treating people in areas that are part of China, and have off-and-on been part of China for thousands of years. Some of them were part of China long before the proto-US was importing slaves from Africa.

So if the US wants to focus on human-rights violations, they arguably ought to focus on African-Americans. Some huge percentage of African-American men are, or have been, in prison. Far more than the Chinese are fucking with.

And fundamentally, it's not whataboutism. It's about realistic expectations. I mean, just consider what the US diplomatic response would be if China started organizing a UN conference on treatment of African-Americans. Pretty soon, as with China, it'd come down to "don't mess with us".

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Post by amyjess »

ElBarto wrote: post #114
amyjess wrote: post #58

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I'm gobsmacked that you do not know what the holocaust was, then. China is not trying (and never has) to physically and systematically eradicate an entire ethnicity, nor are they trying to drive them out through ethnic cleansing. In fact under the 'one child policy' ethnic minorities have the right to have more children than ethnic Han. I urge people to really learn history and to make appropriate comparisons.

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Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by ElBarto »

amyjess wrote: post #118
ElBarto wrote: post #114

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I'm gobsmacked that you do not know what the holocaust was, then. China is not trying (and never has) to physically and systematically eradicate an entire ethnicity, nor are they trying to drive them out through ethnic cleansing. In fact under the 'one child policy' ethnic minorities have the right to have more children than ethnic Han. I urge people to really learn history and to make appropriate comparisons.

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The comparison was with the holocaust, and what China does, which you clearly don't know, has also nothing to do with the Nuremberg Laws.

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Post by amyjess »

ElBarto wrote: post #119
amyjess wrote: post #118

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The comparison was with the holocaust, and what China does, which you clearly don't know, has also nothing to do with the Nuremberg Laws. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

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