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China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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I'm wondering if people in China can see this website in Google. Edit: to people who are downvoting this... check this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19540562

That thread is about Google Ads. If Chinese people can see Google Search, they're using a VPN and can see that website. Without VPN, on the other hand, it has been blocked by the Great Firewall since at least 2015: https://en.greatfire.org/https/www.hongkongfp.com

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suffering economically will likely lead to far more suffering for various Chinese people, and the end result has a good chance of being a civil war. Is this worth preventing their influence from growing? Who benefits from it?

That's a bold prediction when they are imprisoning so many people. I'm not sure why a flimsy assumption of the future for something that can't reliably be quantified would be used as a rationalization to do nothing.

I can't come up with exact scenarios for what would happen, but the West has used it's influence to cripple the Chinese economy before and the results included famines killing millions.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't downvoting this within 7 minutes of you posting.

>People aren't downvoting this within 7 minutes of you posting. Obviously they are, or OP wouldn't have added that edit. You can see your comment scores (as you know.) Interestingly, I just read that China employs people to influence social media. (Which Hacker News would fall under, I guess.) What I read was this, I'll quote it in full: >China does this with its 50 >Cent Party: people hired by the government to >pos…

The recent story about Apple disabling their News app in China got flagged over and over in the first hour or so, but I don't know if that was wumao or Apple fans doing it for free :)

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a ridiculous comparison. China is not expanding and does not systematically imprison minorities (and as you know the holocaust is in another league altogether). The point of my previous comment is also to avoid such comparisons that are unhelpful, to say the least. Don't overuse those terms (holocaust, nazi, etc)

China is looking to expand. China already took Tibet. It claims Taiwan. Now, it’s making audacious claims over the South China Sea - even going so far as to build artificial islands to cement their claims.

They even claim parts of India as well

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be careful about the terms you use. Some terms should not be overused because overuse trivialises.

The point here is to evoke comparison with 1930s Germany, which expanded into neighboring territory and systematically imprisioned minorities. Hopefully China changes direction before it becomes 1940s Germany

Why do you believe 1940's Germany is worse than China? 2.5 million people already died as a direct result from Mao's Great Leap Forward, with another 40 million (!) dying from famine during that same period, caused by said cultural revolution.

Nazi Germany was not the greatest loss of life by a government.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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China has begun quite a campaign of rogue diplomacy, a good example being the continued saga of Canada abiding by its treaty with the United States and holding Meng Wanzhou for due process of an extradition for charges laid in the US. In retaliation China has jailed a number of Canadians on invented charges and are now leveraging trade in a farcical manner, claiming that Canadian products are contaminated (which is r…

Rule of law vs rule of Xi Jinping.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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post #46

China has begun quite a campaign of rogue diplomacy, a good example being the continued saga of Canada abiding by its treaty with the United States and holding Meng Wanzhou for due process of an extradition for charges laid in the US. In retaliation China has jailed a number of Canadians on invented charges and are now leveraging trade in a farcical manner, claiming that Canadian products are contaminated (which is r…

Rule of law vs rule of Xi Jinping.

China is rule of law when convenient.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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China has begun quite a campaign of rogue diplomacy, a good example being the continued saga of Canada abiding by its treaty with the United States and holding Meng Wanzhou for due process of an extradition for charges laid in the US. In retaliation China has jailed a number of Canadians on invented charges and are now leveraging trade in a farcical manner, claiming that Canadian products are contaminated (which is r…

They even killed a Canadian. In a future where China is dominant you can just tell that they learned diplomacy from Americans... where they basically act like the mafia. And really much effort should be put to restrain them as it's going to be a disaster for world peace and human rights.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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A painful but important reminder about Lu Guang, a photojournalist captured by the goverment for taking photos of the damage suffered by countryman (and nature) due pollution from chinese factories: https://imgur.com/gallery/XwzByK7 Something needs to be done, I'm not sure what but inaction will only aggravate the situation.

I really do appreciate the sentiment, but with an authoritarian regime like this there's isn't an awful lot other nations can practically do that would actually make a difference. Just look at North Korea, it's under total economic lock-down but still continues along on it's brutally oppressive way. It's not that I'm happy about it, any suggestions welcome.

While it is true the economic sanctions didn't work in NK and Iran, similar conditions worked in former-USSR and they can and will work in China for a simple reason: Folks in NK never experienced economic propsperity and were brainwashed from day one, people in China are experiencing economic bounty and as such are at the moment willing to overlook their government.

The day this economic progress slows down, the masses will turn and hopefully revolt against the system. The only fear is that China is militarily very strong and I believe that Western nations are probably afraid that this may lead to WW-III, but in the absence of that, in the case of China economic sanctions can indeed lead to internal revolt and collapse of the CCP like that happened in former-USSR.

Re: China warned others not to attend UN meeting on Xinjiang human rights violations

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China has begun quite a campaign of rogue diplomacy, a good example being the continued saga of Canada abiding by its treaty with the United States and holding Meng Wanzhou for due process of an extradition for charges laid in the US. In retaliation China has jailed a number of Canadians on invented charges and are now leveraging trade in a farcical manner, claiming that Canadian products are contaminated (which is r…

They even killed a Canadian. In a future where China is dominant you can just tell that they learned diplomacy from Americans... where they basically act like the mafia. And really much effort should be put to restrain them as it's going to be a disaster for world peace and human rights.

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