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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by jedberg »

tracker1 wrote: post #209
ikeboy wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using the speed test app I get 65 direct and 58 using the NYC setting in PIA. Ping is 31 ms for PIA vs 28 direct. I look forward to testing with Warp once it's released, but I don't see how it could be much better than the status quo. PIA has lots of servers all over the place, cloudflare might have a bigger network but the delta should be negligible. I am a bit surprised that fast would get throttled though.

It's been pretty common and a big part of why Netflix created the service iirc. ISPs have been throttling netflix as a negotiating tactic when creating peering agreements for upstream traffic or deploying more content servers. The whole process has been really horrible imho. Some mobile providers do it to force lower quality streams, that in fairness are probably more appropriate for small/mobile devices. 1080p-4K ar…

Netflix will never even try to show you 4K on a mobile device. The ISPs know this. They just want to throttle Netflix so that you'll prefer the ISPs streaming service to Netflix.

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Post by jedberg »

ikeboy wrote: post #104
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fast.com is through Netflix, so your carrier is probably throttling. Try a different speed test with no VPN to confirm.

Using the speed test app I get 65 direct and 58 using the NYC setting in PIA. Ping is 31 ms for PIA vs 28 direct. I look forward to testing with Warp once it's released, but I don't see how it could be much better than the status quo. PIA has lots of servers all over the place, cloudflare might have a bigger network but the delta should be negligible. I am a bit surprised that fast would get throttled though.

> I am a bit surprised that fast would get throttled though.

Fast.com runs its tests against the actual servers that stream Netflix to you. It uses the same selection algorithms as actual Netflix. The whole point of it was so that you use Fast.com and then call your ISP and say you did a speed test and aren't getting anything close to the speed that they advertised.

On the back end they can't tell the difference between a Fast.com speed test and actually playing Netflix, and that was the point. So if they are going to throttle one they have to throttle both.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by jedberg »

zackbloom wrote: post #129
tjkrusinski wrote: post #90

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If Cloudflare provides CDN services for advertisers, you likely won't see adblocking products from them.

That is not something which has factored into the conversation on our (Cloudflare's) end. The bigger issue is even as we make technical improvements, we very much don't want to create a separate Internet. The minute we begin adding, removing, or changing content when it comes through Warp those questions begin to be asked.

You also don't want to be in the business of determining which ads are "good" and which are "bad" and being tastemakers in any way, so probably a smart choice to stay out of the ad game.

A good add on though might be a way for people to run their own service on a Cloudflare worker that gets hit with each request to 1^4, which would allow them to run their own ad blocker.

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Post by mikkelam »

I've been having tons of issues with 1.1.1.1 on my iPhone especially when jumping on and off wifi to 4G. I realise they would need to reconnect and so on, but it seems absurdly slow, so I stopped using it. I'll give warp a try though

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Post by amingilani »

They've glossed over a few details that I'm curious about:

1. What will the exit IPs be? Will I get to stay with-in my region and access region specific content, or can I bypass censors, both government (porn, "glory of Islam", etc), and private (Netflix region-specific content, GDPR non-compliant websites that accidentally block my region).

2. Can I select my own exit region?

3. How do they handle abuse? Can I spam and get their IP blacklisted? (I'm curious, not actually nefarious)

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Post by Sammi »

broknbottle wrote: post #309
jedberg wrote: post #302

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It's only near you when you're at home though. This works around the world.

wouldn't be that difficult to write a script that checks geoip and launches a VPS in the region closest to your current devices public address. You could even create an iOS shortcut to allow you to do it from your iPhone

What's the chance that there are a lot of unknown unknowns that you are not counting on?

I'd say that even the known unknown that ips and networks change routinely should make it a headache to maintain.

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Post by ksec »

jgrahamc wrote: post #245
ksec wrote: post #241

193 Comments and No one has asked yet. How do they make money? So, the price plan and extras from Business, Professional and Enterprise CDN is enough to cover all the cost of running the network + free tier CDN + Domain Registration Operation + DNS + Free tier VPN? There is a reason why I am using Apple. Their interest is in me using iPhone or Apple devices with a very decent profits margin, and hopefully up sell me…

In the article see the section "Ok, Sure, But You’re Still a Profit-Seeking Company"

Yes I read it, I am just not convinced it is financially feasible, or sustainable.

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Post by bubblethink »

Shank wrote: post #149
arendtio wrote: post #85

> We built Warp around WireGuard So basically Cloudflare created an app with Cloudflare branding and set up a Wireguard server for everyone. No bad, but just check out the original: https://www.wireguard.com While I am not a big fan of VPNs in general, I have to admit, that Wireguard performs exceptionally well. I tested it a week ago and the added latency is pretty much just the network latency and the bandwidth los…

I consider myself fairly competent, and I couldn’t understand the wireguard documentation enough to setup my own install without resorting to algo [0]. There’s real value in wrapping a system like WireGuard into a product, because it democratizes technology rather than making it available only to those knowledgable enough to understand how to set it up. I think Warp is great in that regard. [0]: https://github.com/tr…

>I consider myself fairly competent, and I couldn’t understand the wireguard documentation enough to setup my own install without resorting to algo [0]

a) wg is already quite straightforward and will likely get even simpler with broader adoption. Can't comment on what you did not understand about it. A statement starting with "I consider myself competent" is really not helping your case b) You are somehow confusing the simplicity of a client set up with the actual simplicity of the overall server and client setup. Client setups have generally been simple with a number of vpn solutions even before wireguard. c) There is no democratization of technology going on here. vpn service providers have existed since the dawn of time, and you could always pay and get a client config file.

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Post by obahareth »

eximius wrote: post #295
kentonv wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So basically Cloudflare created an app with Cloudflare branding and set up a Wireguard server for everyone. Not just one -- servers in 175 (and growing) locations spread around the world, and the app will always use the closest one to you. That's arguably a lot more important that what protocol it uses, and is not something you could easily DIY.

I mean, for DIY you only need one because you're only one user . Pick a VPS host with a data center near you... done.

For me, VPS hosts with data centers near me isn't a thing, but CloudFlare has edge locations near me.
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