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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#82

I just signed up. cloudflare is on the short list of Internet companies that I trust (with the usual small bit of doubt and skepticism!). With just a few reservations, I also trust G Suite, Firefox, and a few hosting companies I do business with. I have been supporting FSF, ACLU, etc. for years, but the practical considerations that prompted me to be a bit more trusting are Cloud Search in GSuite, Cloudflare offering…

maybe you've forgot Cloudbleed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudbleed Thanks for downvoting.

I am sorry you were downvoted - shouldn’t happen when people express their opinions. just gave you a +1

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#83

Cloudflare, are there plans for ad blocking? Currently using AdGuard DNS and it works well. Router-level ad-blocking would be an attractive premium option.

Same concern here. I use the open source dns66 app with cloudflare dns so I get the best of ad blocking/content filtering and fast connections. I love the idea of improving my privacy and theoretically performance for the connections I want to make, but not at the expense of that functionality.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#84

I just signed up. cloudflare is on the short list of Internet companies that I trust (with the usual small bit of doubt and skepticism!). With just a few reservations, I also trust G Suite, Firefox, and a few hosting companies I do business with. I have been supporting FSF, ACLU, etc. for years, but the practical considerations that prompted me to be a bit more trusting are Cloud Search in GSuite, Cloudflare offering…

maybe you've forgot Cloudbleed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudbleed Thanks for downvoting.

Companies are made of people and people inevitably screw up. Cloudbleed made Cloudflare more trustworthy in my eyes simply because of how they handled their (very large, very unfortunate) mistake.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#85
> We built Warp around WireGuard

So basically Cloudflare created an app with Cloudflare branding and set up a Wireguard server for everyone. No bad, but just check out the original:

https://www.wireguard.com

While I am not a big fan of VPNs in general, I have to admit, that Wireguard performs exceptionally well. I tested it a week ago and the added latency is pretty much just the network latency and the bandwidth loss is minimal (so small I couldn't even measure it reliably). What I found most interesting, was that there were some use-cases when the network with Wireguard performed even better than without it (probably related to congestion control).

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#86
post #24

I've downloaded 1.1.1.1 fresh from Google Play just now, but I don't see any "get in line" option. Buried somewhere, or Google still staggering out the latest version of the app?

It's coming. We have released but there's some latency in the various app stores around the world.

Got it now. Thank you.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#87
post #55

There's a lot of dissing of competition (they drain your battery, "all suck", slow down your internet) without a single datapoint. Personally I find the performance of PIA fine. I just ran a test through fast.com and got 42 mbps on 4g through PIA mobile VPN in NYC. (Weirdly, when I turn off the VPN and test I'm only getting around 2 Mbps.) Latency is a bit higher than direct, but not enough for me to agree with their…

Anything that uses the Android built in IPsec VPN is going to be fine unless the app really goes out of it's way to be crappy. This uses Wireguard in userspace so is likely actually a battery drain. Less than OpenVPN at least.

While it might use more power I've been using Wireguard on my phone for 6 months or so now and the performance is way better than IPSec, especially on spotty connections such a mobile!

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#88
I don't trust this, or these people.

No matter what words they use, the model is a dangerous one and we should be just as wary of it coming from cloudflare as we would if it were coming from google.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asked differently, do you plan on explicitly disallowing/banning it if people unofficially ran the reference implementation against Warp? It would be nice to know the policy there. For those of us that do know what a VPN is, and are okay not having access to support, getting things to work without a desktop app would be nice.

I think my answer was pretty clear. We do not currently plan to allow stock WireGuard clients to use Warp. I say, currently, because things can always change. It's important to appreciate that we have literally millions of users for the 1.1.1.1 App and we are rolling out a free VPN for them. That is a huge support and network burden that we have to deal with to make that experience work well. Yes, we use WireGuard un…

What's the reasoning behind this[1]? It strikes of ulterior motives and turns me off, as a potential user. Any official response from Cloudflare?

[1]https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2019-March/00404...

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