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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

If discrimination was disallowed for your personal opinions, then this might be a valid argument.

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The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

I think HN in particular is too focused on "loss of privacy" as an issue. It seems to me that loss of privacy, while concerning, hasn't caused a fraction of the tangible, measurable problems in the west that misinformation and echo chambers have caused. Loss of privacy hasn't caused anti-immigrant fear-mongering, or conspiracy theorists harassing school shooting victims, or people not vaccinating their children. In a…

Ummm, Anthony Weiner.

But more generally, how employers, insurance companies, etc trawl social media.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Great idea, Mark! 1. Nobody listens to anything Zuckerberg says. 2. Regulate social media platforms with >1M users. Require that they support federation through open standards with published, open-source reference implementations of all required software. 3. Enact EU-style privacy protections, with the explicit goal of destroying the tracking/surveillance industry, both on the net and off. 4. Require that service pro…

> Require that service providers, regardless of size(1), keep hate speech off their platforms. This includes calls for the establishment of ethnostates

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

Now how can your proposed policy reconcile this?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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There is no such thing as harmful content. There are only harmful consumers of content. Removal of any amount or type of content can not rehabilitate these harmful consumers. For as long as they lack the motive and personal integrity to practice critical thinking on a constant and ongoing basis, no content can ever be safe from them. They will be harmed by even the most direct, fact-based, and honest content. Their i…

This is a very narrow view of human psychology. How do you reconcile this opinion with the knowledge that copycat crime¹ occurs. One would imagine that an adult with critical thinking skills ought be able to observe that some people are easily influenced at least some of the time . Elsewise we wouldn't be here having this conversation. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime

We could always let governments and tech giants decide what people are allowed to see and read - there's no way that responsibility will be abused.

There's no perfect answer to this problem, but censoring information just because it might reach a few unstable people is not the way to go.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. Persuasion works and can be bought with money. It would be naive to think any of us in this thread are immune to persuasion.

Yes, but we all want to know who is doing the persuading.

And we do because advocacy has three pillars

Character

Emotion

Rational

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "deep state"? I've seen it used so casually and often that feel like that has become a meaningless phrase that amounts to "anything established in any way, anywhere, that I don't like and I wish to add a negative connotation to those things, people, or whatever I don't like".

There are too many code words in that post to take it seriously. What did he mean by "elite", etc.?

I see a lot of that these days, just a laundry list of code words, but they can't really explain anything...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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post #67

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

By now it's pretty clear, to me at least, that Zuckerberg simply doesn't get it. He could have fixed the issues for over a decade. And even in 2019, after all the evidence of mismanagement and public distrust, he still refuses to relinquish any control of the company. This is a tone-deaf opinion piece. I'd argue as far back as 2010 that indiscriminately selling user data was a bad idea especially when you are the sol…

I see him as among a group of people who believe that financial success gives them both the credibility and authority to dictate the rules of society.

It is a deeply troubling mindset that goes beyond just being 'out of touch'.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

He's utterly clueless. Having two identities can save your life if you're a battered woman. Or of the wrong political persuasion in some countries. I'm ok not 'liking' Zuckerberg's idea of integrity.

He cares more that his advertising database is accurate
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