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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by ridgeguy »

aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

He's utterly clueless.

Having two identities can save your life if you're a battered woman. Or of the wrong political persuasion in some countries.

I'm ok not 'liking' Zuckerberg's idea of integrity.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by greenyoda »

Barrin92 wrote: post #84
reaperducer wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a unified identity guarantees that people are held accountable for what they say, it reduces fraud, trolling, and it means people have 'skin in the game' when participating in a social environment, it's the basis for trust. Awesome. So you're going to change your HN username to your real name and put your address and phone number in your "about" section?

No, because I don't treat this website as a social network. I have no friend connections here, don't expose private information, it's a technical discussion board in my opinion. Facebook on the other hand is a network for the exchange of private or personal information, including for example people forming groups about particularly sensitive topics (abuse experiences, disease and so on), in which personal identity is…

> people forming groups about particularly sensitive topics (abuse experiences, disease and so on)

It seems exactly the opposite to me: I would not want to use my real name to publicly discuss sensitive personal topics.

For example, I may not want my friends or employer to find out that I'm a drug addict. In many workplaces, it could cost me my job. What if someone else in my support group happens to be a co-worker of mine?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by sandov »

ridgeguy wrote: post #141
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

He's utterly clueless. Having two identities can save your life if you're a battered woman. Or of the wrong political persuasion in some countries. I'm ok not 'liking' Zuckerberg's idea of integrity.

He's not clueless. He perfectly knows that what he's saying is complete bullshit.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by Veedrac »

morley wrote: post #49
marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

I think HN in particular is too focused on "loss of privacy" as an issue. It seems to me that loss of privacy, while concerning, hasn't caused a fraction of the tangible, measurable problems in the west that misinformation and echo chambers have caused. Loss of privacy hasn't caused anti-immigrant fear-mongering, or conspiracy theorists harassing school shooting victims, or people not vaccinating their children. In a…

It's unfortunate that HN is more willing to downvote dissenting ideas like this than discuss them.

Yes, the loss of privacy the internet has brought has been immense. However, the complete overhaul of social structures, the influence of large platforms on them (such as by optimizing for clicks/adverts), and the social pressures and influences that come with these by default is something that directly impacts most people for literal hours a day, and has run-on externalities that will affect the whole of society for the rest of our lives. Most people are only tangentially and occasionally affected by their numerous privacy losses.

Sure, I'm not certain in the studies showing that Facebook is negatively associated with wellbeing. I'm not certain that the degradation in conversation quality due to platforms optimizing for controversy is a real effect. I'm not certain that echo chambers preventing people from hearing moderate opinions of opposing sides is going to permanently damage public discourse. But these are not small risks, they are almost everything when it comes to humanity's ability to steer its future, and the potential impact on people's lives should not be so easily dismissed.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by lgleason »

People in the know here, who are saying not to trust was Zuck is saying should make it a point to make sure that their elected reps understand why listening to him is a bad idea. A lot of politicians are clueless when it comes to technology and could easily buy this hook line and sinker.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by [deleted] »

bitxbit wrote: post #67
aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

By now it's pretty clear, to me at least, that Zuckerberg simply doesn't get it. He could have fixed the issues for over a decade. And even in 2019, after all the evidence of mismanagement and public distrust, he still refuses to relinquish any control of the company. This is a tone-deaf opinion piece. I'd argue as far back as 2010 that indiscriminately selling user data was a bad idea especially when you are the sol…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by lostapathy »

aestetix wrote: post #40

"Having two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." -- Mark Zuckerberg[1], defending Facebook's "Real" Name policy. Based on his total disregard for privacy and his clear thirst for power, I want nothing coming from him or his company to ever influence actual policies. [1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/01/30/quoted-mark-zuckerberg...

I have reported obvious violations of the real name policy and Facebook always replies with some BS about it not being verifiable. Things like a “person” profile setup for a storefront instead of a proper page for it.

They obviously don’t care.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Post by Spooky23 »

morley wrote: post #49
marcrosoft wrote: post #17

The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

I think HN in particular is too focused on "loss of privacy" as an issue. It seems to me that loss of privacy, while concerning, hasn't caused a fraction of the tangible, measurable problems in the west that misinformation and echo chambers have caused. Loss of privacy hasn't caused anti-immigrant fear-mongering, or conspiracy theorists harassing school shooting victims, or people not vaccinating their children. In a…

Sure it has.

Say I’m selling highly profitable, highly addictive opioid painkillers. Hydrocodone has been around forever, so what do you do?

You use your access to workers comp and insurance claim data to find doctors treating conditions likely to require pain treatment. Then you find populations with high densities of patients and market heavily to their physicians. You buy ads that appeal to insured people who aren’t working.

Result: $$$

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