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Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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Post by throwaway2048 »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #70
Kadin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a question of whether you have a Chinese spouse; that's not correct, and that would be racist. It's a question of whether or not you or your spouse have ongoing relationships with Chinese nationals and could, as a result, be subject to influence by the Chinese government. If you were married to someone who, say, had fled China and had no connection to anyone there, that's likely to be fine. If you're married…

So you can't marry a Chinese American for he/she is both Chinese and American at the same time by your logic, or they should not even exist in the first hand?

No, you can not marry like that _and expect a security clearance_. Security clearances aren't a human right.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

d4mi3n wrote: post #67
sneak wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s still just a matter of race, so long as Americans and Chinese people are not entirely free to go live and work in either country without restriction. It’s just a proxy for race. If you are born in a China, of course your extended family is going to be under the control of the Chinese government. Same for Americans in America. Don’t get it twisted. It’s just racism.

I understand your issue with the policy, and I think this is a fine stance to take in cases where relations between two countries are good. Sadly, that is not the case between the US and China. Focusing on race here completely ignores the geopolitical situation. This issue is also completely moot in any case where the influence of a foreign power isn't a concern, as many others have mentioned. I'd also refute the ide…

According to US census categories, Chinese are the same race as Indians, Pakistanis, Turkmen, Filipinos and Hawaiians. "Asian and Pacific islander".

The residents of those various places, as I understand things, see it differently.

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Post by Macross8299 »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #69
Kadin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a question of whether you have a Chinese spouse; that's not correct, and that would be racist. It's a question of whether or not you or your spouse have ongoing relationships with Chinese nationals and could, as a result, be subject to influence by the Chinese government. If you were married to someone who, say, had fled China and had no connection to anyone there, that's likely to be fine. If you're married…

I mean, that's a practical concern and I hear you, but it's still ethnic profiling. You're talking about judging people for having family. I feel like the reception would be different if we were talking about "woke-friendly" demographics.

Is it ethnic profiling though? A thought experiment is to imagine a country nearly identical to the US in ethnic composition, culture, size, GDP, etc but is rivals with the US on the same level China is. If you were going to apply for a security clearance in the USA and your spouse and their family was from this rival bizarroUSA, I think you'd be subject to similar scrutiny. Just a question of where your (or your spouse's) national loyalties lie.

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Post by forks25 »

killjoywashere wrote: post #19

Nice to see someone taking the Chinese foothold in SV seriously. I've also heard people who go to work for Chinese companies are then blacklisted from US Government defense- and intel-related work for 1 year. Can anyone confirm?

There isn't a blacklist this guy[0] does business in China, Turkey and India and kept his clearance.

[0] http://ogc.osd.mil/doha/industrial/2018/16-04107.h1.pdf

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Post by yourbandsucks »

Macross8299 wrote: post #73
yourbandsucks wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's a practical concern and I hear you, but it's still ethnic profiling. You're talking about judging people for having family. I feel like the reception would be different if we were talking about "woke-friendly" demographics.

Is it ethnic profiling though? A thought experiment is to imagine a country nearly identical to the US in ethnic composition, culture, size, GDP, etc but is rivals with the US on the same level China is. If you were going to apply for a security clearance in the USA and your spouse and their family was from this rival bizarroUSA, I think you'd be subject to similar scrutiny. Just a question of where your (or your spo…

Oh, I totally get it. Well, sort of. I don't think China is the same level of rivalry that we had with the USSR. They're playing the game we asked and invited them to play.

But that aside, I hear you. My major confusion is that I never see the woke crowd running in to get super sensitive about things like this when the topic is Chinese people. I feel like they'd lose their shit if we were talking about Arabs, for example.

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Post by jorblumesea »

btbuildem wrote: post #47
zachr wrote: post #42

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Yes, they already have it, and that is the concern. If someone in Chinese intelligence wanted high quality extortion material, Chinese ownership of Grindr means they could probably get it with relative ease.

I think what they're saying is that the horses are out of the barn now, reversing the sale won't undo the damage.

Not sure how making it even easier to get this information is helpful or warranted.

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Post by forks25 »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #36
killjoywashere wrote: post #19

Nice to see someone taking the Chinese foothold in SV seriously. I've also heard people who go to work for Chinese companies are then blacklisted from US Government defense- and intel-related work for 1 year. Can anyone confirm?

> I've also heard people who go to work for Chinese companies are then blacklisted from US Government defense- and intel-related work for 1 year. Can anyone confirm? I definitely want confirmation on this. I could see the security-clearance folks being skeptical of someone who moved to mainland China to work, but not of someone who, say had a job in the US at a Chinese-owned company like AMC [1] or Riot Games [2]. [1…

There isn't some hard rule like that. If you have no family connections to china, moved over to join some cool company, then came back a year later because you got bored, your interim clearance would probably be denied, and your background investigation would probably take longer but you could still get a clearance.

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Post by stevefan1999 »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #64
stevefan1999 wrote: post #63

But being LGBT in China is much more accepted than in the west, so I don't see the point here...although not if they had sex tapes or is critiqued by the official media

You at least have anecdotal sources for that? My anecdotal experience is the opposite, one generation away from the farm and all..

Well, most of us are neutral about LGBT, we don't care whether you're gay or not if you can get things done.

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Post by KerrickStaley »

This is a very tinfoil-hat-y perspective, but is it possible that this action gained support inside the Trump White House because it makes life more difficult for Grindr?

I think the theory that it's about potential blackmail and extortion is a more likely explanation, and overall I think it makes sense for the government to take this action, but it might have been boosted by ulterior motives (see also CNN/AT&T/Time Warner).

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Post by forks25 »

sneak wrote: post #44
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

It sounds like you just don't understand how security clearances work.

Its about allegiance to a country. Not your race.

If you come to the US from China, revoke your Chinese citizenship, become a US citizen and limit your contact to Chinese citizens, you can get a security clearance.

Also a security clearance is not a right.

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