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Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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Post by specialp »

sneak wrote: post #44
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

I didn't think being from China was a racial condition. What if it were a Russian spouse? Same thing. In national security background checks they are concerned about connections to foreign governments. Yes it is discrimination on foreign ties such as travel, family, or dual citizenship.

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Post by bnjms »

sneak wrote: post #44
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

How is it naked racism? I doubt this is a race based restriction so much as a nationality based one. I would be shocked if it effected anyone with a spouse of second generation or later.

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Post by sneak »

bnjms wrote: post #52
sneak wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

How is it naked racism? I doubt this is a race based restriction so much as a nationality based one. I would be shocked if it effected anyone with a spouse of second generation or later.

Nationality is a proxy for race. Discrimination based on nationality is discrimination based on race.

Just like race, one has no say in where they were born. You don’t get to arbitrarily change it if you don’t like the one that was assigned to you by the people with the most arms in the region in which you happen to be born.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

sneak wrote: post #44
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

A few things. It's based on nation, not race. The government doesn't care if your spouse is a 5th generation Chinese-American, they care if you have close family that is under the influence of a foreign government. It's not an auto-blacklist or anything, you can be born in China and still have a US security clearance.

Discriminating based on citizenship status is usually illegal, but US security clearance is typically contingent on being a US citizen. The relevant anti-discrimination laws have an exemption for "national security purposes"

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Post by sneak »

Kadin wrote: post #49
sneak wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

It's not a question of whether you have a Chinese spouse; that's not correct, and that would be racist. It's a question of whether or not you or your spouse have ongoing relationships with Chinese nationals and could, as a result, be subject to influence by the Chinese government. If you were married to someone who, say, had fled China and had no connection to anyone there, that's likely to be fine. If you're married…

That’s still just a matter of race, so long as Americans and Chinese people are not entirely free to go live and work in either country without restriction. It’s just a proxy for race. If you are born in a China, of course your extended family is going to be under the control of the Chinese government. Same for Americans in America.

Don’t get it twisted. It’s just racism.

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Post by sneak »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #54
sneak wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

A few things. It's based on nation, not race. The government doesn't care if your spouse is a 5th generation Chinese-American, they care if you have close family that is under the influence of a foreign government. It's not an auto-blacklist or anything, you can be born in China and still have a US security clearance. Discriminating based on citizenship status is usually illegal, but US security clearance is typicall…

> The relevant anti-discrimination laws have an exemption for "national security purposes"

So, the latter: they get a free pass to do racial and national origin discrimination. That was my answer, thank you.

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Post by jowday »

killjoywashere wrote: post #19

Nice to see someone taking the Chinese foothold in SV seriously. I've also heard people who go to work for Chinese companies are then blacklisted from US Government defense- and intel-related work for 1 year. Can anyone confirm?

A few years ago, I was told by someone knowledgeable about clearances that I shouldn't visit China or Russia if I was interested in getting a clearance or applying for defense or intelligence related work in the next couple of years.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

sneak wrote: post #56
Rebelgecko wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few things. It's based on nation, not race. The government doesn't care if your spouse is a 5th generation Chinese-American, they care if you have close family that is under the influence of a foreign government. It's not an auto-blacklist or anything, you can be born in China and still have a US security clearance. Discriminating based on citizenship status is usually illegal, but US security clearance is typicall…

> The relevant anti-discrimination laws have an exemption for "national security purposes" So, the latter: they get a free pass to do racial and national origin discrimination. That was my answer, thank you.

Except it's not racial... It wouldn't matter if your hypothetical Chinese spouse is descended from Han Chinese, Russians, Mongols, Koreans, Tamils, or Marco Polo.

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Post by empath75 »

sneak wrote: post #44
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

It’s not racism. It’s any foreign government, including allies. They closely scrutinize your connections to foreign nationals. They especially scrutinize people with connections to rivals and adversaries, though.
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