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Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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Post by empath75 »

sneak wrote: post #53
bnjms wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it naked racism? I doubt this is a race based restriction so much as a nationality based one. I would be shocked if it effected anyone with a spouse of second generation or later.

Nationality is a proxy for race. Discrimination based on nationality is discrimination based on race. Just like race, one has no say in where they were born. You don’t get to arbitrarily change it if you don’t like the one that was assigned to you by the people with the most arms in the region in which you happen to be born.

So presumably you believe that the Chinese government should give Americans jobs where they have access to Chinese secrets?

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Post by btown »

btbuildem wrote: post #47
zachr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they already have it, and that is the concern. If someone in Chinese intelligence wanted high quality extortion material, Chinese ownership of Grindr means they could probably get it with relative ease.

I think what they're saying is that the horses are out of the barn now, reversing the sale won't undo the damage.

And now you just know that they're going to make some "offline backups" before the company changes hands. It's not likely that Grindr has bank-level auditing of whether a single bribed/coerced employee plugs in a flash drive.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #63

But being LGBT in China is much more accepted than in the west, so I don't see the point here...although not if they had sex tapes or is critiqued by the official media

You at least have anecdotal sources for that? My anecdotal experience is the opposite, one generation away from the farm and all..

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Post by mostlysimilar »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #63

But being LGBT in China is much more accepted than in the west, so I don't see the point here...although not if they had sex tapes or is critiqued by the official media

Is that true?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China#Summary_t...

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Post by ariwilson »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #63

But being LGBT in China is much more accepted than in the west, so I don't see the point here...although not if they had sex tapes or is critiqued by the official media

Huh?

"Same-sex couples are unable to marry or adopt, and households headed by such couples are ineligible for the same legal protections available to opposite-sex couples." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China

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Post by d4mi3n »

sneak wrote: post #55
Kadin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a question of whether you have a Chinese spouse; that's not correct, and that would be racist. It's a question of whether or not you or your spouse have ongoing relationships with Chinese nationals and could, as a result, be subject to influence by the Chinese government. If you were married to someone who, say, had fled China and had no connection to anyone there, that's likely to be fine. If you're married…

That’s still just a matter of race, so long as Americans and Chinese people are not entirely free to go live and work in either country without restriction. It’s just a proxy for race. If you are born in a China, of course your extended family is going to be under the control of the Chinese government. Same for Americans in America. Don’t get it twisted. It’s just racism.

I understand your issue with the policy, and I think this is a fine stance to take in cases where relations between two countries are good. Sadly, that is not the case between the US and China. Focusing on race here completely ignores the geopolitical situation. This issue is also completely moot in any case where the influence of a foreign power isn't a concern, as many others have mentioned.

I'd also refute the idea that nationality is a proxy for race, especially for a country as large and diverse as China. China is _far_ from the only nation with an Asian populace--many of the ethnicities in China can be found in neighboring countries and across Asia.

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Post by nyokodo »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #63

But being LGBT in China is much more accepted than in the west, so I don't see the point here...although not if they had sex tapes or is critiqued by the official media

For extortion based on Grindr data to work it only requires the target to not want the information released. The target might be in a relationship and be cheating on their partner etc or any number of other reasons that have nothing to do with how generally accepted homosexuality is where they live.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

Kadin wrote: post #49
sneak wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

It's not a question of whether you have a Chinese spouse; that's not correct, and that would be racist. It's a question of whether or not you or your spouse have ongoing relationships with Chinese nationals and could, as a result, be subject to influence by the Chinese government. If you were married to someone who, say, had fled China and had no connection to anyone there, that's likely to be fine. If you're married…

I mean, that's a practical concern and I hear you, but it's still ethnic profiling. You're talking about judging people for having family.

I feel like the reception would be different if we were talking about "woke-friendly" demographics.

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Post by stevefan1999 »

Kadin wrote: post #49
sneak wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

It's not a question of whether you have a Chinese spouse; that's not correct, and that would be racist. It's a question of whether or not you or your spouse have ongoing relationships with Chinese nationals and could, as a result, be subject to influence by the Chinese government. If you were married to someone who, say, had fled China and had no connection to anyone there, that's likely to be fine. If you're married…

So you can't marry a Chinese American for he/she is both Chinese and American at the same time by your logic, or they should not even exist in the first hand?
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