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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by [deleted] »

ralala wrote: post #182
Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

This also affects small online communities, who pay for their servers by running a few ads. There are a lot of these platforms.

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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by koonsolo »

dingaling wrote: post #273
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

> Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

People on YouTube are creating content, lots of it. Will they still create it when some filter keeps blocking them?

If you want pirated stuff, just download torrents. They won't disappear with this new law.

The only thing that will appear are filters.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jaabe wrote: post #321

I know this is an extremely unpopular opinion, but I’m actually fine with more equality in copyright legislation. These “disastrous” copyright laws already apply to you and me, and if you think they don’t, then just try hosting a top 1 music video on your personal domain. Where the laws don’t apply is if your service is to host user content and you have the size to circumvent justice. YouTube makes a lot of money off…

> how else do you suggest that we make the laws that apply to you and me also apply to big tech companies?

The solution to “some of us might be subject to shitty rules” is “make everyone subject to shitty rules”? Also, why do you think large companies won’t be better positioned to comply with these rules? They can more-easily license what they need and lobby the regulators whose powers are being increased under these rules.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by makomk »

unicornporn wrote: post #328
pierreb wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry -- not all affected platforms are run by "big corporations". All for-profit plateforms over 3 years old are affected, even small ones. This will severely harm the EU startup scene in that category.

> All for-profit plateforms over 3 years old are affected, even small ones https://www.politico.eu/pro/germany-weighs-in-on-copyright-w... So, what happened to that? ^ Parliament wanted: > Apply the law to platforms that “optimise and promote” significant amounts of user-uploaded works and are not small businesses (turnover below €10M and less than 50 employees) According to: https://juliareda.eu/2018/10/copyright-tr…

Apparently, France happened to that: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Xelbair »

xienze wrote: post #184
isostatic wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU Parliament, who we vote for every 5 years (and have elections coming up), vote for a law. You don't like said law, therefore it's undemocratic? The way the parliament is elected is quite fair - it gives a little more power to people in smaller countries, but that's not unusual (UK westminster constituencies vary from 22k to 120k. U.S. congress areas are more even, ranging from 500k to 1 million). There's an ar…

> The EU Parliament, who we vote for every 5 years (and have elections coming up), vote for a law. You don't like said law, therefore it's undemocratic? Did any parliament members run on this issue? If so, how many? The point I'm getting at is, to what extent did "the people" really have a say in this issue? Politicians are elected and some time down the road laws are proposed without much, if any, input from the peo…

And lets not forget about lobbying.

That sweet, sweet money flowing into their pockets.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by rorykoehler »

isostatic wrote: post #73
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

The EU Parliament, who we vote for every 5 years (and have elections coming up), vote for a law. You don't like said law, therefore it's undemocratic? The way the parliament is elected is quite fair - it gives a little more power to people in smaller countries, but that's not unusual (UK westminster constituencies vary from 22k to 120k. U.S. congress areas are more even, ranging from 500k to 1 million). There's an ar…

It's undemocratic because it's bought by a lobby and not in the interests of the populace as a whole.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by tremon »

raverbashing wrote: post #192
rcxdude wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is UKIP's stopped clock being right once a day, they just vote against anything in the EU. They would support a worse version of the bill locally.

Yeah, it could be, but then why the other EurSkep. parties voted for it?

Of the 34 EFDD votes, only 6 voted for. Which other EurSkep parties are you referring to?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #166
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe someone can explain to me why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place?

> why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place? For the same reasons New York might care how Alaska gets its energy. Climate change concerns. Concerns that a fellow voting union member is building critical economic and energy ties with an authoritarian regime. (More selfishly, perhaps, because New York wants to sell them its own energy.)

> Climate change concerns.

For Germany, the alternative currently seems to be coal, which is one of the reasons I find this somewhat annoying. If it was a matter of "Nord Stream 2 or wind energy" I'd say "fuck that Russian gas, let's go green!" But alas, that's not what this is about.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by deltron3030 »

vedantroy wrote: post #272
Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

I don't know whether Article 11/13 are good or bad (although at first glance they seem to be bad), but I don't think this attitude of "forcing freedom" onto others is good. The entire attitude that I should "regain [my] freedom" seems condescending. I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube. I'm well aware that YouTube collects and sells my personal da…

>The idea that legislation is good because it forcefully restricts my choices (indirectly, by harming YouTube), thus preventing me from harming myself seems to be a form of unneeded parenting/hand-holding/babying that I'm not a fan of.

That's the catholic and lutheran authoritarian mindset that is deep ingrained into the minds of EU politicians and large parts of Europe itself, that's what they mean with "democracy". They don't really trust people and their individuality.

Just check the backgrounds of the politicians who voted in favor, you'll find that most have this religious background and distrust in people and are easily manipulated by others "higher up the chain", like those cultural snobs in Paris.

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