European Parliament approves copyright reform • Hacker News Board

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by jaabe » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:30 PM UTC

I know this is an extremely unpopular opinion, but I’m actually fine with more equality in copyright legislation. These “disastrous” copyright laws already apply to you and me, and if you think they don’t, then just try hosting a top 1 music video on your personal domain.

Where the laws don’t apply is if your service is to host user content and you have the size to circumvent justice. YouTube makes a lot of money off legal content, how much is unknown because they literally won’t tell you how much they earn from your content, but they also earn money from illegal content. They avoid responsibility by being large, and these copyright laws is going to combat exactly that.

It’s not perfect, but how else do you suggest that we make the laws that apply to you and me also apply to big tech companies?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by speeq » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:31 PM UTC

Who wants to work with me on a new startup? "EU Upload-Filter as a Service"...

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by apexalpha » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:32 PM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295

philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

A lot of European media sees their content stolen and re-uploaded by anonymous users on YT, FB, etc... FB in particular have not responded to this and thus content creators lose a lot of views and money.

This video sums it up nicely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tA3NNKF0Q

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by lagadu » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:33 PM UTC

tomtompl wrote: post #98

cotelletta wrote: post #13

Clueless twats. I will look up all who voted for this farce and let them know individually it will haunt them for the rest of their political career. No forgiveness for kneecapping free expression in return for some lobbyist euros and pretending it protects artists. And to the artists who were dumb enough to believe it: if your art wasn't mediocre you wouldn't have any trouble drawing the attention of the copyright i…

Just keep in mind that EU bodies which have the legislative power don't really have constituents, not really been elected by anyone.

Legislative power is co-held by the parliament and the council: the parliament is directly elected by the people and the council is elected by the governments that were elected by the people.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by svantana » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:33 PM UTC

tremon wrote: post #280

Juliate wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could even argue that this could trigger a new wave of self-hosting/publishing.

Probably not, as self-hosters are disproportionately affected by spurious or malicious copyright claims (they don't have the pooled resources to fight).

On the other hand, the copyright owners will have a harder time finding the allegedly infringing material. A bot that can find and scrape media on any website needs to be pretty advanced, especially if the site is using encrypted media extensions. And after that, getting into contact with the owner of the site is not trivial. It won't be worth the effort in the majority of cases. The centralisation of media on youtube, soundcloud etc has been very practical for litigious copyright owners.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by dannyobrien » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

I wish this was true: in the negotiations, it was clear that many of the supporters of Article 13 felt that this was too much of an exception, and will, in the upcoming transposition into national law, seek to cover as much as they can. As someone else mentioned, one way is to say that anything not run as an official non-profit for its official purposes is covered. Another is to target the inevitably commercial elements of even not-for-profit platforms (services that offer pre-packaged Mastodon instances for instance).

One of my priorities in the next two years is to protect as much of the decentralised Web from the effects of the Copyright Directive, but it's not going to be easy. The large platforms, in their negotiations with the rightsholders who pushed for this directive, will have the explicit intent to turn it into a moat that can limit the growth of competitors, including non-commercial alternatives.

The rightsholders see even the smallest platform as a lawless environment that has no redeeming features, and worse than the now-regulated giants. Without active and co-ordinated lobbying by decentralised Net advocates, they will paint these alternatives as a "new generation of Pirate Bays", just as they did with YouTube and its predecessors.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by phatfish » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

bashwizard wrote: post #289

phatfish wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I though this was supposed to happen after the GDPR was made law... still waiting.

I didn't. I expected to be greeted with "We care about your privacy" and then have to opt in or not being able to access the content. I was right.

Fair enough.

Although I remember plenty of comments on HN about how Facebook et al. would be blocking EU users because it would be too expensive for them to comply with GDPR.

One or two US based newspaper websites were all I noticed blocking access because of compliance reasons. I expect a similar impact due to Article 13.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by unicornporn » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

pierreb wrote: post #277

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

Sorry -- not all affected platforms are run by "big corporations". All for-profit plateforms over 3 years old are affected, even small ones. This will severely harm the EU startup scene in that category.

> All for-profit plateforms over 3 years old are affected, even small ones

https://www.politico.eu/pro/germany-weighs-in-on-copyright-w...

So, what happened to that? ^

Parliament wanted:

> Apply the law to platforms that “optimise and promote” significant amounts of user-uploaded works and are not small businesses (turnover below €10M and less than 50 employees)

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by glennpratt » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

Juliate wrote: post #307

tremon wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not, as self-hosters are disproportionately affected by spurious or malicious copyright claims (they don't have the pooled resources to fight).

That's precisely why there are societies of authors, editors, publishers, etc. => in part in order to protect from malicious claims.

Sounds exclusionary.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Xelbair » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #273

philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

Yeah, i am really curious what approach will content hosting companies take.

Will they analyze each video if it is a illegal or legal one, checking everything... or just implement a simple, fast and cheap filter that will block most of the content, with no way to appeal the ruling, just like youtube is doing now...