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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by nkkollaw »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #235
nkkollaw wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Burning cars and breaking windows isn’t peaceful protest. A few people doing that doesn't invalidate a peaceful protest that has lasted months now without doing any major damage (if you exclude Macron's approval ratings, of course). Of course, when you have a lot of upset people it's easy to have a few problems--specially after months of protesting without the government doing anything major to address people's con…

> that doesn't invalidate a peaceful protest I agree. Peaceful protest with violent elements, and the government deploying force to deter the violent elements, isn’t an oxymoron. The violent elements don’t invalidate the peaceful ones. And the armed response shouldn’t besmudge the government per se . > It's also a common tactic from governments to infiltrate into peaceful protests and cause damage and disorders on pu…

> Need a citation on this being “common.” Would also need some proof of this happening in Paris. Otherwise, we’re going into conspiracy theory land.

I'm not familiar with the French secret service, but since I've seen proof of this technique being regularly deployed in other countries it would just seem common sense to me to think that the French would do the same.

Cossiga's "confession" is even on Wikipedia (https://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/Francesco_Cossiga), he said in short: "the best is doing what I used to do when I was interior minister: let them protest, send the Police home and infiltrate protests to make them destroy the city. Then, when they lost the public opinion's approval, beat them up until they can't walk and the protest is over."

I think it's just normal business.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by vedantroy »

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

I don't know whether Article 11/13 are good or bad (although at first glance they seem to be bad), but I don't think this attitude of "forcing freedom" onto others is good.

The entire attitude that I should "regain [my] freedom" seems condescending. I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube.

I'm well aware that YouTube collects and sells my personal data, I just don't care.

The idea that legislation is good because it forcefully restricts my choices (indirectly, by harming YouTube), thus preventing me from harming myself seems to be a form of unneeded parenting/hand-holding/babying that I'm not a fan of.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by dingaling »

philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> The day the Internet died.

No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died.

> what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels

Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by tremon »

marcodave wrote: post #220
ralala wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also affects small online communities, who pay for their servers by running a few ads. There are a lot of these platforms.

> small online communities, who pay for their servers by running a few ads if those communities are aiming for a break even at best, would those as well be considered "for profit", though?

Yes. For-profit is a de-facto legal term, and includes every enterprise that isn't registered as a non-profit.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by phatfish »

bashwizard wrote: post #214
aembleton wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubt it. I don't think many people know or care about this.

Just wait until they eventually are greeted with a notice "Sorry, we've blocked all users from Europe due to the new copyright reform" on every major social media site/app.

I though this was supposed to happen after the GDPR was made law... still waiting.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Juliate »

paganel wrote: post #231
Juliate wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a bit of nuance to bring here. Moving militaries to replace police on some institutions' security is and was stupid, as it's not their core mission. But calling "citizens street protests" the guerilla-like behaviours that triggered this clumsy response from the government is a bit naive and misleading as well. If you study France's Fifth Republic rules (Constitution), you'll see the president has some discret…

> If you study France's Fifth Republic rules (Constitution), you'll see the president has some discretionary power that are not democratic, in order to be able to take on decisions to safeguard the republic I'd say that the republic was not put in danger by these protests and that this kind of move creates a very dangerous precedent. I also had thought that "La Révolution française est terminée", to quote Francois Fu…

No one can be De Gaulle again, he.

On the rest, we differ. I'd say that these events are very, very concerning - especially given that the team in charge of the country is clearly not as experienced/diligent as the previous ones, yet.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by pierreb »

Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

Sorry -- not all affected platforms are run by "big corporations". All for-profit plateforms over 3 years old are affected, even small ones. This will severely harm the EU startup scene in that category.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by orwin »

nicc wrote: post #233
paganel wrote: post #130

> France’s current batch of national politicians have consistently advocated for the worst parts of the Directive, and the Macron administration may seek to grab an early win for the country’s media establishment. Macron is a crook. If any other president from any other civilized country would have sent the military to guard against its citizens' street protests [1] then that president would have been (rightly) calle…

In Europe it's normal to use the military for a variety of reasons. Specially since military draft was made voluntary, in Italy the military are used to walk around at train stations, help out in case of protests, etc. Actually, in Italy we have two institutions that are seen as "police": Police and Carabinieri. Carabinieri are exactly the same, but they're part of the military. As for: > Macron is still seen by a la…

Well. He is seen as right-wing in france (i.e close to the money). Average older citizen do like people who will protect their rent system and who seems to add stability, that's why they voted for him. Wheras most of my non-economically challenged younger friends prefer a bit of chaos and a high-ish inflation, and did not.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by philpem »

buboard wrote: post #263

This is a great day for creators in the EU. We are finally going to be able to upload our creations safely, in a platform that nobody will ever pay for. https://www.article13.org/best-of

"About us

We are EUROPE FOR CREATORS. A gathering of professional organisations of writers, musicians, producers, comedians, films makers coming from all over Europe.... [snip]"

Translation: "We are GEMA, BPI, ...., and we make our money from creators' work. And we want more! More!"

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by tremon »

Juliate wrote: post #211
Funes- wrote: post #76

This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

One could even argue that this could trigger a new wave of self-hosting/publishing.

Probably not, as self-hosters are disproportionately affected by spurious or malicious copyright claims (they don't have the pooled resources to fight).
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