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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:29 PM UTC

sprash wrote: post #114

isostatic wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European Commissioners are selected by natioanl governments. The president of the commission is voted for by the people (Juncker received the most votes in 2014) Does America vote for the secretary of transportation? In theory under say a westminster system MPs can take control. This is almost unprecedented until last night. Even when they do push non-controversial laws (Private Member bills, like the upskirting one…

> Does America vote for the secretary of transportation? The secretary of transportation has no legislative power as opposed to the EU Commission. This comparison is flawed. > The president of the EU commission is effectively elected It is the most intransparent and indirect way of determining a political position. As voter you have zero control over who is part of the Commission. Also the EU constitution was put in…

> secretary of transportation has no legislative power as opposed to the EU Commission

In practice, Congress has over the years delegated a lot of legislative power to the agencies.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by adrianN » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:30 PM UTC

stiangrindvoll wrote: post #49

Could this directive speed the creation and adaptation of distributed technologies? If the topic of uploading to centralized cloud entities is just removed or ignored all together.

Somebody has to own the computers. You can sue those people if they don't comply with the law.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by raverbashing » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:31 PM UTC

paganel wrote: post #138

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

I've also said it in the other thread about this, Macron is basically a crook, he has just sent the military to guard against some of France's citizens street protests [1], that's not at all democratic. Unfortunately, with the Brexit situation, with Angela Merkel who's on her way out and with Italy which is partly run by a comedian's party France has gained an unrivaled influence over EU affairs and in one way or ano…

You're right about his influence in the EU and on the directive.

However he's completely in his right to have the army against disorderly protests that cause damage (including fire to historical buildings the last time).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by nabla9 » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:31 PM UTC

kalleboo wrote: post #146

lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

Even if there are people out there who deny climate change, geopolitics like this ought to convince everyone that distributed renewable energy is the way forward.

Climate change denial is large problem only in Anglosphere.

Germany did more than any other country to realize the modern renewable-energy industry and it's failed its climate goals. The lesson should be that you have to try every tool in the toolbox, including nuclear energy.

Fukushima accident revealed the irrationality of the public. Fukushima-scale accident every decade somewhere in the world would be low cost to pay for replacing coal. It's only the drama behind the accident that makes people to lose their minds.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by duxup » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:32 PM UTC

pard68 wrote: post #163

I recognize the irony of my statement, the majority of the world has been dealing with the US interfering with their nations' laws for nearly three quarters of a century. Nonetheless, it irks me that laws in other nations, like the EU, can have such an adverse impact on me.

I think it is less irony and just a matter of human nature. We're always more critical / resistant when "someone else" imposes something, less so if we get to do it.

I think the take away is to understand the values about what you don't like about whatever is going on... and apply them to yourself as best you can. Otherwise it is just finger wagging and finger wagging is so easy and fun that we often miss the fact that if push came to shove, we might do the same thing, or worse.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by rcxdude » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:33 PM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #168

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42

To what degree has Britain's waning influence contributed to this? London was historically Europe's most competent commercially-minded city. I'm hopeful to see a counterbalance emerge in Frankfurt or Paris, but the writing on the wall indicates that's unlikely.

Well, Farage voted against this crap. Which should be a shame to the other MEPs but apparently not.

This is UKIP's stopped clock being right once a day, they just vote against anything in the EU. They would support a worse version of the bill locally.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by aembleton » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:34 PM UTC

cbg0 wrote: post #18

A bunch of people are about to lose their seats in the upcoming European Parliament elections in May.

Doubt it. I don't think many people know or care about this.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by makomk » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:34 PM UTC

IanSanders wrote: post #88

geff82 wrote: post #4

I will now start my move out of the EU. I know how heavily restricted Internet feels like from my frequent Iran travels, and I will move out of any country that moves 2 inches in that direction, whatever the "good reason" might be. Politicians felt like your regular corrupt banana republic representatives this time. And now they know how to get away with this, they will try it with something different again soon.

>I will now start my move out of the EU While good for you, EU will have one less citizen opposing internet restriction. We need a better way to deal with this but I cannot think of one. >Politicians felt like your regular corrupt banana republic representatives this time. That's what it converges to. Good ones don't survive.

There is nothing we can do, by design. The European Commission has the exclusive ability to create new laws, and they're almost totally isolated from any kind of democratic control.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:34 PM UTC

i6tjvo wrote: post #167

lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

France and Germany, the rulers of the EU. The rest of countries are nothing but pawns. Honestly sad.

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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Dumbdo » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:34 PM UTC

geff82 wrote: post #112

mweibel wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please note that there might be similar things happening in Switzerland, too: https://www.digitale-gesellschaft.ch/2019/03/23/demonstratio... (german only, sorry) It's all a bit different than in the EU because people may be able to vote against that at some point.. Whether that happens is another question entirely, though.

I totally did not see this. Thank you for the warning. As I am not totally into politics, I thought that the stupidity of the EU would not be repeated by Switzerland. Honestly, if they do this, I can stay where I am and take some time to investigate the situation in the US or Canada again. Of course, only it Switzerland, there can be referendums, while in the EU we totally do not have them.

If a single law makes you switch countries you should overthink that decision. It's a bad law for sure, I even joined a demonstration against it, but it's like totally on a different scale than censorship in the Iran. Please inform yourself before making such statements.