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How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by sli »

skybrian wrote: post #67
codedokode wrote: post #63

> 1. Electromagnetic records that do not operate in accordance with other persons' intention, or gives unauthorized commands which act against their intention, when another person uses a computer. They should arrest every second mobile app developer. They collect data from the phone without permission. And then please arrest Google Analytics developers as well.

Has anyone ever been harmed by Google Analytics? I am skeptical.

Are you implying that a Javascript redirect loop -- something fixed by simply closing your browser -- is actually harming people in some way? Minor annoyance is not harm.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by y4mi »

sk0g wrote: post #58
f-jin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from using the term "waifu" instead of something like "wife" / "SO" / "girlfriend", the comment itself seems fine to me. I've heard stories of low computer literacy in Japan from other sources as well, it is quite interesting.

Well, if I'm not wrong, waifus are fictional characters people take on as a SO of sorts. So it doesn't even qualify as an anecdote, IMO.

you're definitely not wrong. a waifu is not a human.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waifu

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by behringer »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #43
giancarlostoro wrote: post #5

Sadder yet is that modern browsers let you disable these sort of dialogs. I know Firefox does it, I assume Chrome does as well. Wondering what the browser landscape looks like in Japan if it was serious enough to mandate police force?

For anyone who wants to try if their browser blocks it: javascript:for(;;){alert("am%20I%20bloc%20yet?");} Just copy that into the URL field of your browser (In a new tab, because it will block whatever site you do this from (duh))

Off to jail.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by 77pt77 »

solarengineer wrote: post #54
titanix2 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give me exemple of foreign politician that know HTML please (besides Taiwan ones). We got got a lot of funding for IT related stuff here from the government.

The Singapore PM is a Haskell programmer.

I don't know about Haskell, but he did program a C++ Sudoku solver

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9419035

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by james_s_tayler »

sk0g wrote: post #29
james_s_tayler wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact my waifu confessed she never touched a computer until entering University. She's terrible at using any technology in general as a result. It's mildly fascinating.

Does your comment really add to the discussion, aside from weirding some people out?

You know, when she told me that it weirded me out too. I was like... HOW!!??

I remember growing up in school we always had computers in the classroom and computer literacy programs. It must have meant that at all the schools she attended in Japan growing up they didn't have that. Else there's no way that'd be possible.

Just mildly fascinating. Totally not what I expected. So when the minister in charge of the stuff says he hasn't touched a computer, I can believe it.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by nihonde »

java-man wrote: post #70
nihonde wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yakuza are tolerated by police unless they cross certain lines. They perform an unpleasant but important function of keeping foreign gangs out.

I am curious: they never cooperated with foreign organized crime? I find it hard to believe.

Well they are reputed to be involved in drug trafficking with other groups outside Japan, but they maintain control over foreign gang activity inside Japan.

Edit: just to clarify, Yakuza is not a single group. There are big differences between the various units. Many of them don’t touch drug trade, some are involved in human trafficking, and others seem to be mainly symbolic.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by okmokmz »

mruts wrote: post #53
nradov wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freudian psychology has been mostly debunked and is not considered a valid tool for analyzing societies.

The only people who think Freudian psychology (and Freud’s more general writings) don’t have value are those people who haven’t seriously studied them. Not to say that they are 100% true, but there’s a lot of (profound) truth there.

He didn't say it doesn't have value, he said it has been mostly debunked. There is still value in its analysis, despite there being serious issues with a lot of his work

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by innocentoldguy »

I don't have a lot of respect for Japanese police. It seems they while away their time inventing entrapment scenarios, arresting people for pranks, apparently, and measuring car accidents for hours on end, but don't do a damn thing when something serious is going on. For example, there have been several cases in the news over the years where women go to the police to complain that they are being stalked, only to have the police do nothing. Far too often, the woman ends up raped, assaulted, or dead.

The most famous case of the police being a bunch of bumbling idiots (or at least the one that haunts my mind the most) is that of Junko Furuta (which happened right after I first went to Japan in 1989). She was kidnapped, raped by over 100 men, held captive in the house of her abductor, and tortured to death over a period of 44 days. Around the two-week mark of her ordeal, someone told the police they thought a girl was being held against her will in the house. When the police showed up, the perpetrator told them, there's nobody in our house, and the police said that was good enough for them and left. Fuckers! Those two officers were fired, but that isn't an isolated case. Police not doing anything and people being injured or losing their lives seems to happen far more than it should in Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

The 30th anniversary of Junk Furuta's death is next week, on April 2nd. ALL of her perpetrators are roaming free in Japan.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by camgunz »

coldtea wrote: post #57
aburd wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, police looking for a crime when there is none is not something to celebrate. Your second point is spot on, though.

Well, many people would take the first case (no crime, and the police trying to find the smallest bs as crime to pass their time), over a country with lots of crime. (Sure, there's also the perfect case, no crime, and the police sitting idly, but in the real world we rarely have the "perfect" case, and "no crime/police fishing for people stealing a beer case left as a thief trap" is close enough to perfect).

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, and this is a clear example of injustice. It's a slippery slope to effectively say, "we sometimes punish the wrong people, but in return we get a very safe society", because how can you feel safe in a society that may, at any time, randomly select you for punishment? It might not be "crime" per se, but when you're locked up, does it really matter if it's all by the book? Doesn't that mean the book is bad?

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by nwallin »

skybrian wrote: post #67
codedokode wrote: post #63

> 1. Electromagnetic records that do not operate in accordance with other persons' intention, or gives unauthorized commands which act against their intention, when another person uses a computer. They should arrest every second mobile app developer. They collect data from the phone without permission. And then please arrest Google Analytics developers as well.

Has anyone ever been harmed by Google Analytics? I am skeptical.

That's precisely the point.

The law doesn't make code which causes harm illegal, it makes code which does not operate in accordance with the user's intention illegal.

Think about that for a second. Think about every program ever written which did not operate in accordance with the user's intention. Literally every bug is punishable by three years in prison.

This is a classic example of legislators saying "We don't understand the problem, so lets just make everything illegal and rely on the police and prosecutors using their discretion to only put the real criminals in prison," followed by the police and prosecutors not using their discretion and putting a non-criminal in prison.

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