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Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by escherplex »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #36
ptero wrote: post #16

I think there are two things here: first is that Japan is so safe that police is actively looking for cases to pursue. I remember reading of police putting (as a trap) a case of beer in an open car at a shopping plaza, monitoring it for a week before finally nabbing a retiree who opened a door (whether to "steal" the beer or just to investigate). In and of itself such safely is, IMO, something to celebrate. The secon…

The 99% figure is a common misconception. Prosecutors in Japan are underfunded, so they only try to convict rock solid cases, among other factors. This Wikipedia entry seems to flagrantly defy wiki rules but seems more informative for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_J...

However, the above link does point out a convention ripe for abuse:

Because suspects are put through continuous interrogation which could last up to 23 days as well as isolation from the outside world, including access to lawyers, both the Japanese judiciary and the public are well aware that confession of guilt can easily be forced.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by [deleted] »

nradov wrote: post #46
Lambdanaut wrote: post #28

I'd like to shed some light on this(and other Japanese tendencies) from a different perspective. Human societies can be seen as humonculus to the humans that make them up in many ways. One such way is that societies tend to reflect the broad strokes of Freudian tendencies that the citizens tend towards. The culture reflects the society. Not hard to understand. In the case of Japan, it is clear after consideration tha…

Freudian psychology has been mostly debunked and is not considered a valid tool for analyzing societies.

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Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by mruts »

nradov wrote: post #46
Lambdanaut wrote: post #28

I'd like to shed some light on this(and other Japanese tendencies) from a different perspective. Human societies can be seen as humonculus to the humans that make them up in many ways. One such way is that societies tend to reflect the broad strokes of Freudian tendencies that the citizens tend towards. The culture reflects the society. Not hard to understand. In the case of Japan, it is clear after consideration tha…

Freudian psychology has been mostly debunked and is not considered a valid tool for analyzing societies.

The only people who think Freudian psychology (and Freud’s more general writings) don’t have value are those people who haven’t seriously studied them.

Not to say that they are 100% true, but there’s a lot of (profound) truth there.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by solarengineer »

titanix2 wrote: post #42
euske wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing is the lack of understanding, or almost disdain of technicality when it comes to IT among politicians and high ranked officials. The tendency is probably common among politicians everywhere, but Japan is particularly bad as the majority of these committees members have only legal backgrounds and don't even know what HTML is (and their contempt of studying them).

Give me exemple of foreign politician that know HTML please (besides Taiwan ones). We got got a lot of funding for IT related stuff here from the government.

The Singapore PM is a Haskell programmer.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by f-jin »

sk0g wrote: post #29
james_s_tayler wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact my waifu confessed she never touched a computer until entering University. She's terrible at using any technology in general as a result. It's mildly fascinating.

Does your comment really add to the discussion, aside from weirding some people out?

Aside from using the term "waifu" instead of something like "wife" / "SO" / "girlfriend", the comment itself seems fine to me. I've heard stories of low computer literacy in Japan from other sources as well, it is quite interesting.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by hiccuphippo »

ptero wrote: post #16

I think there are two things here: first is that Japan is so safe that police is actively looking for cases to pursue. I remember reading of police putting (as a trap) a case of beer in an open car at a shopping plaza, monitoring it for a week before finally nabbing a retiree who opened a door (whether to "steal" the beer or just to investigate). In and of itself such safely is, IMO, something to celebrate. The secon…

What about the Yakuza?

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by coldtea »

aburd wrote: post #27
ptero wrote: post #16

I think there are two things here: first is that Japan is so safe that police is actively looking for cases to pursue. I remember reading of police putting (as a trap) a case of beer in an open car at a shopping plaza, monitoring it for a week before finally nabbing a retiree who opened a door (whether to "steal" the beer or just to investigate). In and of itself such safely is, IMO, something to celebrate. The secon…

No, police looking for a crime when there is none is not something to celebrate. Your second point is spot on, though.

Well, many people would take the first case (no crime, and the police trying to find the smallest bs as crime to pass their time), over a country with lots of crime.

(Sure, there's also the perfect case, no crime, and the police sitting idly, but in the real world we rarely have the "perfect" case, and "no crime/police fishing for people stealing a beer case left as a thief trap" is close enough to perfect).

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by sk0g »

f-jin wrote: post #55
sk0g wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does your comment really add to the discussion, aside from weirding some people out?

Aside from using the term "waifu" instead of something like "wife" / "SO" / "girlfriend", the comment itself seems fine to me. I've heard stories of low computer literacy in Japan from other sources as well, it is quite interesting.

Well, if I'm not wrong, waifus are fictional characters people take on as a SO of sorts. So it doesn't even qualify as an anecdote, IMO.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by dmix »

escherplex wrote: post #51
b_tterc_p wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 99% figure is a common misconception. Prosecutors in Japan are underfunded, so they only try to convict rock solid cases, among other factors. This Wikipedia entry seems to flagrantly defy wiki rules but seems more informative for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_J...

However, the above link does point out a convention ripe for abuse: Because suspects are put through continuous interrogation which could last up to 23 days as well as isolation from the outside world, including access to lawyers, both the Japanese judiciary and the public are well aware that confession of guilt can easily be forced.

The Nissan CEO wasn't allowed to see or contact his family/friends for 3 months while he was in jail. Which he spent entirely in solitary.

People without good lawyers and a strong grasp of the law would be far more liable to just give in.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Post by martin_a »

james_s_tayler wrote: post #20
scottishcow wrote: post #6

Just to remind you all, this is coming from a country whose cybersecurity minister claims to have "never touched a PC in his life". https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46222026

Fun fact my waifu confessed she never touched a computer until entering University. She's terrible at using any technology in general as a result. It's mildly fascinating.

I find this interesting as I have always thought of Japan as a high-tech nation and thought that especially young people should be very good with computers.
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