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How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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post #11

Coinhive case IS harmful and they are not that innocent - if "posting Coinhive on their web sites" means "mining use visitors' browsers".

I'd say ads are harmful as well, don't see people fighting those this much.

“People does not fight harmful ads for now“ does not mean coinhive should be added to web sites without users’ consensus.

And It’s more harmful than ads as users know explicitly whether there are ads on web sites and have a choice to not visit them anymore. But silently mining without warning users of that is worse.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we can assume that "Japan is so safe that..." from these cases.

We don’t have to assume that Japan is safe. We have statistics for that.

Unless you are a woman.

I was sadly not surprised when I heard from a friend that she had been groped as a preteen in a department store. Worse yet, none of the rest of us were surprised to hear it. It’s normal and unreported.

Likewise, there are some claims I’ve read that the suicide rate is high because of murders treated as suicide by police (who have their own quotas) and age inflation due to relatives who don’t report the death of relatives in order to collect pension funds.

TLDR: Statistics are based on reported crime. It’s safe but not as safe as statistics show.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t have to assume that Japan is safe. We have statistics for that.

Unless you are a woman. I was sadly not surprised when I heard from a friend that she had been groped as a preteen in a department store. Worse yet, none of the rest of us were surprised to hear it. It’s normal and unreported. Likewise, there are some claims I’ve read that the suicide rate is high because of murders treated as suicide by police (who have their own quotas) and age inflation due to relatives who don’t…

Sadly, those kinds of misreportings are common in other countries and places too. My own home of New York City has been hit by a number of underreporting scandals. I have no reason to believe they are less common elsewhere than Japan. So I still think national crime statistics provide the best basis for comparison.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we can assume that "Japan is so safe that..." from these cases.

We don’t have to assume that Japan is safe. We have statistics for that.

The questionable claim is that the arrests in this article happened because Japan is so safe.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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"This page seemed to have been around since a few years ago, and it appears that there were quite a number of people who posted each other this URL on some particular internet forums. It is still not clear why only these three were arrested by the Hyogo Prefectural Police under such circumstance. They may not have any specific reasons for that."

Maybe the police only wanted to make an example of those three people and discourage the rest of posting the URL.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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post #16

I think there are two things here: first is that Japan is so safe that police is actively looking for cases to pursue. I remember reading of police putting (as a trap) a case of beer in an open car at a shopping plaza, monitoring it for a week before finally nabbing a retiree who opened a door (whether to "steal" the beer or just to investigate). In and of itself such safely is, IMO, something to celebrate. The secon…

No, police looking for a crime when there is none is not something to celebrate.

Your second point is spot on, though.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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I'd like to shed some light on this(and other Japanese tendencies) from a different perspective.

Human societies can be seen as humonculus to the humans that make them up in many ways.

One such way is that societies tend to reflect the broad strokes of Freudian tendencies that the citizens tend towards. The culture reflects the society. Not hard to understand.

In the case of Japan, it is clear after consideration that the society is incredibly super-ego driven. (That correlates to "Parent" driven for you Transactional Analysis folks).

So how that translates to the society is that parental, guiding, cohesive, social, aesthetic, moral rules are favored over Id or Egotistical rules.

In contrast, The United States is a primarily ego-tistical country(Adult-dominant, in Transactional Analysis terms). That's just as fine as a Superego-leaning society, but it is DIFFERENT.

An ego-tistical society will focus on the power of the individual, and will honor rationality and purpose foremost. Group cohesion and like-mindedness will fall to the wayside unless picked up by the superego driven parts of the culture.

A problem arises when any one of the three parts (id, ego, superego) of a culture become too imbalanced in a specific direction. In this case, the parental superego is overriding the will of the individual. The society is asking too hard what they "SHOULD" be like rather than "WHY" they should be like it. "Should" is the heuristic function for superego decisions. "Why" for ego decisions. *

Notice that when a child starts figuring out that they're an individual with choice they start asking "why?" quite often. Sometimes ad nauseum. Why why why why why. The egotistical little buggers. Uncle Sam would be proud.

But that's not a problem for Japan. They have the problem of the child that learned just because they can do something, doesn't mean they should. It's a valuable lesson clearly, but not if you forget why you're doing all of this in the first place.

We create society to empower the individual, and we create the individual to empower society. Lean too hard in either direction and the cycle breaks down, eventually disempowering both the individual and society.

I'm not claiming that either the USA or Japan are leaning "too hard" in either direction, but they are leaning. Lots of apparent insanity has been cropping up in Japanese news lately. The freudian psychoanalyst might try to deduce the imbalanced parts of the patient's psyche that have given rise to such "insanities".

*If you're interested in finding an adjective for a primarily id-driven society like Brazil, you may consider how you would "LIKE" to be.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Just to remind you all, this is coming from a country whose cybersecurity minister claims to have "never touched a PC in his life". https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46222026

Fun fact my waifu confessed she never touched a computer until entering University. She's terrible at using any technology in general as a result. It's mildly fascinating.

Does your comment really add to the discussion, aside from weirding some people out?

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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post #16

I think there are two things here: first is that Japan is so safe that police is actively looking for cases to pursue. I remember reading of police putting (as a trap) a case of beer in an open car at a shopping plaza, monitoring it for a week before finally nabbing a retiree who opened a door (whether to "steal" the beer or just to investigate). In and of itself such safely is, IMO, something to celebrate. The secon…

Another thing is the lack of understanding, or almost disdain of technicality when it comes to IT among politicians and high ranked officials. The tendency is probably common among politicians everywhere, but Japan is particularly bad as the majority of these committees members have only legal backgrounds and don't even know what HTML is (and their contempt of studying them).
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