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WikiLeaks Archive — Cables Uncloak U.S. Diplomacy

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Post by lukeschlather »

philwelch wrote: post #67
lukeschlather wrote: post #57

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Because congress is afraid that they will break out of prison and kill people. The ones that are getting released probably don't want to come to the States anyway on account of lynch mobs. On a side note, I was clearly mistaken and this includes the one we tried to get Slovenia to take. After the full-body scanners and COICA I'm getting a little on edge about my support of Obama.

How many lynchings have occurred in the US in the past 30 years?

It depends on the definition of lynching.

I have no doubt that anyone released from Guantanamo into the United States would be subject to harassment, if not actual danger. The people in congress arguing vociferously against their release must have reasons, and as far as I can see that's either the belief that everyone in Guantanamo deserves to be there, or the belief that it will result in violence if they come to the US.

And simply put, in this case the expectation of violence is as good as violence itself. That's the goal of terrorism, and it's worked extremely well.

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Post by yters »

BCM43 wrote: post #46
ajays wrote: post #27

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I wish Wikileaks would just dump the contents, and leave the analysis to the rest of the world. By doing selective "analysis" and redaction, they're basically doing exactly what they claim to be fighting. Either release all the information, or withhold it. Don't play sides. Oh, and while you're at it, Wikileaks? I'd love to see leaks from Russia, China, UK, Japan etc. You've been picking on the US for far too long; t…

Oh, and while you're at it, Wikileaks? I'd love to see leaks from Russia, China, UK, Japan etc. You've been picking on the US for far too long; these other countries are no angels either. Are you offering to leak this information? Remember, they do not break into US systems to get this information. They need someone to leak it to them.

Plus, a couple of those countries will wipe Assange and his organization off the face of the earth. Assange is only picking on the US because we're more civil. It's like how the anti-religioun crowd tends to pick on Christianity, instead of one of the actually vicious religions that will kill them.

Really, Assange is merely perpetrating a sophisticated form of bullying.

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Post by sesqu »

hugh3 wrote: post #33
tmsh wrote: post #17

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Perhaps it all comes down to whether you have faith in the American diplomatic corps. If you do, this doesn't make sense. If you don't, it does.

You don't have to have faith in an entire bureaucracy to think it makes no sense. For instance, I don't have "faith" in the IRS. But I don't think anyone should tar up and leak the tax records of every US taxpayer. And I don't have "faith" in facebook. But I don't want a complete leak of every message anyone has ever sent via it.

According to Wikipedia, tax records are public at least in Norway and Finland. I can't see them being leaked being as bad as, say, facebook messages.

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Post by ronnier »

kmfrk wrote: post #69
naner wrote: post #48

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Have we discussed ViewText here? I'm impressed. I think I may start using this instead of readability.

Looking at the most popular URLs on ViewText, only HN users know about it. On another note: "it's" instead of "its" in the description made me scowl.

Fixed, thanks.

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Post by mike-cardwell »

naner wrote: post #48
ronnier wrote: post #34

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All pages, one click: http://viewtext.org/article?url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/...

Have we discussed ViewText here? I'm impressed. I think I may start using this instead of readability.

Looks good, but fails if you enter a https url. Shame really.

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Post by [deleted] »

matthewsimon wrote: post #29

The Guardian has posted headers and metadata, but not the message bodies, as a Google Fusion Table: http://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?dsrcid=317391 Additional data links on the Guardian's site: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-data#data

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Post by sudonim »

Alex3917 wrote: post #41

"WikiLeaks has put at risk not only the cause of human rights but also the lives and work of these individuals." This is ironic since one of the biggest contributing factors behind Manning allegedly leaking the documents was probably the fact that the government was kicking him out of the military for being gay. The fact that Obama literally can't even stop lying during his one sentence soundbite condemning the leak…

I had no idea that the wikileaks and don't ask, don't tell stuff were connected. How deep does the rabbit-hole go? Im glad they're not focusing on Manning's sexuality in the coverage, but it seems to me that the policies about sexuality in the military have some bearing on Manning's motivations for wikileaking. Interesting!

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Post by sudonim »

ugh wrote: post #68
bl4k wrote: post #60

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because then they would have the right to a trial there is a reason Gitmo was established

Shouldn’t everyone you want to lock up have the right to a trial? What’s your point?

The point is that _we_ are using a loophole to lock up people without a trial. Gitmo is that loophole and that's why we can't bring the prisoners to the united states.

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Post by btmorex »

joshes wrote: post #45

When you comment that these cables are mundane in nature, you are assuming that you yourself are indicative of the audience as a whole. If you do not believe that millions upon millions of people will read this, you are mistaken. And many, if not the vast majority, of these readers will have previously been in the dark as to the information contained therein. So to them, this is not mundane; it's extraordinary. Furth…

I don't think these are mundane at all, but I also don't think the US comes out looking very bad. There are surely going to be some relationships that are slightly damaged especially with some allies, but so far, it's nothing too bad.

Other countries on the other hand... I know this isn't hugely surprising, but it's now public that essentially everyone in the middle east is lobbying the US to attack Iran. That's got to mess up some relations there.

Also, some of the back room disses within foreign countries are probably going to screw up their domestic politics.

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