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WikiLeaks Archive — Cables Uncloak U.S. Diplomacy

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#41
"WikiLeaks has put at risk not only the cause of human rights but also the lives and work of these individuals."

This is ironic since one of the biggest contributing factors behind Manning allegedly leaking the documents was probably the fact that the government was kicking him out of the military for being gay. The fact that Obama literally can't even stop lying during his one sentence soundbite condemning the leak is pretty symbolic of why we need WikiLeaks in the first place.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it all comes down to whether you have faith in the American diplomatic corps. If you do, this doesn't make sense. If you don't, it does.

You don't have to have faith in an entire bureaucracy to think it makes no sense. For instance, I don't have "faith" in the IRS. But I don't think anyone should tar up and leak the tax records of every US taxpayer. And I don't have "faith" in facebook. But I don't want a complete leak of every message anyone has ever sent via it.

Good point. I was somewhat incorrectly trying to make sense of it with correlations. I stand corrected.

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#43
What is interesting about this is not the damage it does, which will likely be minimal as it's really just embarrassing.

What's interesting is the look into the hidden minds of countries. I didn't know, for instance, that so many Arab countries urged US intervention in Iran, or that Israel has been monitoring Iran's nuclear program so closely--as indicated by their pressing warning that 2010 specifically is a key year.

Of course, everyone here knew or suspected China's dirty hands, but it's nice that this calls them out for it.

And it's funny to know exactly how little most countries seem to think of Europe's importance.

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"Assange made them available to the Guardian and four other newspapers: the New York Times, Der Spiegel in Germany, Le Monde in France and El País in Spain. All five plan to publish extracts from the most significant cables, but have decided neither to "dump" the entire dataset into the public domain, nor to publish names that would endanger innocent individuals. WikiLeaks says that, contrary to the state department'…

I wish Wikileaks would just dump the contents, and leave the analysis to the rest of the world. By doing selective "analysis" and redaction, they're basically doing exactly what they claim to be fighting. Either release all the information, or withhold it. Don't play sides. Oh, and while you're at it, Wikileaks? I'd love to see leaks from Russia, China, UK, Japan etc. You've been picking on the US for far too long; t…

Assange has claimed he is about to release information that targets the Russian government and Russian businessmen (reported 10/26). The thing is, even if he does release it, most Russian citizens won't hear about it or won't care. Anything even remotely incriminating published about Russian businessmen and I can tell you he will probably want to find a good hiding place.

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#45
When you comment that these cables are mundane in nature, you are assuming that you yourself are indicative of the audience as a whole. If you do not believe that millions upon millions of people will read this, you are mistaken. And many, if not the vast majority, of these readers will have previously been in the dark as to the information contained therein. So to them, this is not mundane; it's extraordinary.

Furthermore, all that we are reading right now are redacted and cherry picked summaries and analyses. Please wait for more data to be released before passing a quick, premature, unframed sigh against what is happening here.

We're at the beginning of this, not the end.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Assange made them available to the Guardian and four other newspapers: the New York Times, Der Spiegel in Germany, Le Monde in France and El País in Spain. All five plan to publish extracts from the most significant cables, but have decided neither to "dump" the entire dataset into the public domain, nor to publish names that would endanger innocent individuals. WikiLeaks says that, contrary to the state department'…

I wish Wikileaks would just dump the contents, and leave the analysis to the rest of the world. By doing selective "analysis" and redaction, they're basically doing exactly what they claim to be fighting. Either release all the information, or withhold it. Don't play sides. Oh, and while you're at it, Wikileaks? I'd love to see leaks from Russia, China, UK, Japan etc. You've been picking on the US for far too long; t…

Oh, and while you're at it, Wikileaks? I'd love to see leaks from Russia, China, UK, Japan etc. You've been picking on the US for far too long; these other countries are no angels either.

Are you offering to leak this information? Remember, they do not break into US systems to get this information. They need someone to leak it to them.

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When you comment that these cables are mundane in nature, you are assuming that you yourself are indicative of the audience as a whole. If you do not believe that millions upon millions of people will read this, you are mistaken. And many, if not the vast majority, of these readers will have previously been in the dark as to the information contained therein. So to them, this is not mundane; it's extraordinary. Furth…

I agree, especially as these summaries are written by the NYT, which has (so far) had the least interesting and most pro-American reporting on every Wikileaks leak.

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With Google referrer, to get around the wall: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&s... And one with single page: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&v...

All pages, one click: http://viewtext.org/article?url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/...

Have we discussed ViewText here? I'm impressed. I think I may start using this instead of readability.

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The excerpts the NYT is reporting in this story are pretty ho-hum. We'll have to wait and see what else is in there but it looks like another Wikileaks hype job to me. No doubt there's going to be some embarrassing sausage making details in here but it just confirms things we already knew. Pakistan is a complex situation, Karzai's government is corrupt, etc. Wikileaks would be better off releasing this material witho…

The rumors were there, but this is concrete evidence that Arab nations actually want a strike on Iran, but are too scared to say it out loud.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/arab-states-scor...

By making this public it could significantly change what happens next with Iran.

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All pages, one click: http://viewtext.org/article?url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/...

Have we discussed ViewText here? I'm impressed. I think I may start using this instead of readability.

I don't think so, other than me posting links on HN threads for articles that need it (such as this NYT article). But thanks! It's mostly based on readability, not 100% though. I ported Readbility (JavaScript) to C#.
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